Jail.
That’s the answer.
You’ll sleep in jail. Possibly for the rest of your life.
Also the cop will beat the shit out of you now for mouthing off.
and in jail each resident will cost tax payers approximately $80,000.00 per year on average.
Sure, but it will make a private security contractor and private prison company have great returns for investors!
Who will pay their
bribes to secure a healthy pipeline of human suffering because that’s good for their investorsdonations to encourage more great policies and responsible governance.
More in the first year if they manage to fight the charges in court for a little while.
Yes but then we’re punishing them and letting some corporation buy their labor(not from them, and not in such a way that covers the costs) and pay them in top ramen. Which is morally better, Jesus says so.
… It’s funny that inflation makes that feel like a steal in most sub-urban places now.
going to jail? what a bargain! :D
We need armed citizens groups to keep these thugs off our streets.
But prison is so much more expensive… Looks at political donations from prison companies Ah - that’ll do it.
Why bother with representation and good policy when you can have corruption, graft, and all the wonders of late stage capitalism.
Jail.
That’s the answer.
The answer to what question though? If it is what’s presented here in the comic, I.e. “what to do instead of sleeping on the street”, then that’s a remarkably American answer, and requires significant stupidity and/or malice.
There are much better approaches.
Yeah we’re not talking about ideals, we’re talking about the present. Stupidity and malice is pretty much it.
As opposed to the beating you were going to get, for… Reasons.
Very unrealistic. How come he’s still alive after talking back to a cop while being black?
Didn’t you see the last panel - he’s rich.
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Wait y’all have cops that don’t just start wailing on that guy for not moving? Cops in my city absolutely call backup and go squad deep when homeless people stand their ground.
Or when they dont. In my twenties I worked with unhoused populations, and someone who I was kind of point of contact for came inafter being missing for a couple weeks. She had really weird injuries. I recognized a few of them, not all, and I’m pretty familiar with broken bodies so that was surprising. Apparently she’d been kidnapped and tortured by cops for at least a week. I found out basically everyone has a few of those. The cops just do that. Theres no reason, There’s no jusrification; they just take who they can.
And why should someone who’s been thrown away like that give a shit about your comfort? I know when I was thrown away and ended up homeless, I lost a lot of respect for my environment and ‘normal’ people. I didn’t get as bad as a lot of people.
Do you have a good reason for them to care? To care about something other than the next fix? Maybe a future, or a chat with a friend? No? Then maybe shut the hell up about how icky the actual living human beings you let get thrown away like trash make you feel when you have to walk through their fucking homes.
Who the heck is downvoting this? This is such a reflection of our society.
The cop in the comic, probably
They want free prison labor instead of helping people. All programs that gave people shelter and UBI had high success rates of getting people off the streets. If you give people resources and real help. They can be housed, it isn’t unsolvable at all.
They want free prison labor instead of helping people.
They don’t even really want that, at this point. Prisoners are increasingly geriatric, malnourished, and prone to mental illness, making them unreliable employees at their best and completely unprofitable more often than not.
All programs that gave people shelter and UBI had high success rates of getting people off the streets.
Ah, but you’re forgetting the mystery third option. Pack undesirable people into cages during a plague or a heat wave and kill them from behind bars. This is significantly less expensive than either enslaving them at a loss or funding housing/UBI.
Open sufficient shelter and then ban camping.
Sorry, but I’ve worked in SF and Portland and getting yelled at while avoiding shit and syringes is not great.
Have to get rid of the “no drugs” rules then.
If it’s a choice between heroin and a roof, then one of them they can do without. The roof isn’t going to win.
I think the best solution would be daily free drugs in exchange for maintaining behavior in and around the shelter.
This is exactly it: The best treatment for opioid addiction is tapering them over time (though with the likes of fentanyl you want to downgrade to heroin) flanked by socio-psychological treatment. Crime suddenly plummets, when not having to fear for their dose and life addicts become functional, some of them might be too far gone to get the curve but it’s still going to be cheaper overall to society because pharmaceutical-grade heroin is cheap as fuck and, as said, you’re slashing crime. Heroin is not a drug that, in itself, makes you non-functioning, or would be particularly dangerous to health – gotta monitor respiration while under but that’s it, it doesn’t kill your organs or something.
Meth and crack are quite a bit harder in the sense that tapering doesn’t really work, but it’s still not a good idea having addicts running around looking for copper to sell and dicks to suck. Similar issue as with alcohol, actually: Tapering doesn’t work there, either, but if you can get people stabilised and away from binge drinking things suddenly look way better and possibilities open. That is, instead of getting up, noticing that there’s no alcohol, then hustling for a bottle or two of liqueur to binge come evening, you get them on a regular glass of wine every few hours, enough to stave off withdrawal and suddenly they can actually develop clarity instead of being either restless or completely plastered.
Too bad most people won’t listen to that argument and will stop listening 3-5 sentences in to shout “REEEEEEE FREE DRUGS FOR LAZY PEOPLE REEEEEEE” because they don’t understand the underlying causes of crime and only care about punishing the effects, not preventing them.
I hate how much this country is infected with the protestant work ethic, because it’s destroying us.
It’s not a Protestant thing but individualism and competitiveness taken to American degrees. Ask an OG European Lutheran theologist and they’d say something along the lines of “As you hand a construction worker a shovel, so you hand an addict the necessary tools to do their work”, and to the addict “as you work on yourself, god will see and smile on you”. A work ethics can exist without getting societal atomisation, “fuck you got mine”, and “the result of work is money, if it doesn’t earn money it’s not work” into play.
Sorry, I was referring to the socioeconomic theory about the protestant work ethic, which is part of the basis for taking stuff to “American degrees”.
Which doesn’t really have anything to do with protestantism, though.
To give an armchair diagnosis of the American condition from the psychological/theological POV, it’s Calvinist focus on predetermination combined with not understanding the “lazy argument” as the Stoics call it: The universe is deterministic thus things are predetermined, so the Stoics say, and then detractors say “if it is predetermined whether I live or die, it doesn’t matter whether I go to the doctor”. “Bullshit”, say the Stoics, “the proper argument goes like this: If it’s ordained by the fates that you live, you will go to the doctor, if it is ordained that you die, you won’t”. If that argument now convinces you that you can “change” your fate by going to the doctor, then the fates always intended you to be swayed by it. But in any case: Actions matter. The fates won’t bend physics to accommodate you not wanting to go to the doctor, their machinations are weaved into, indeed are, the very laws of the universe.
That is, as far as this kind of doctrine is concerned seeing an addict and saying “this is one who does no work, he’s not one who will reach the heavens, he can be discarded” only means that you, yourself, are not doing the work demanded of a Christian, as you do not know whether even a simple kind word might not change their life for the better, and you were there, and you said nothing, and you will be judged by god for judging without qualification, and the addict will be judged by god, and god will see that the addict has done their part of the work, and they will go to heaven.
(Not Christian btw I just like to preach the real stuff to people who pretend they are)
Wait’ll you hear about Prosperity Theology…
You’ll never get rid of the homeless by building shelters. Some of them don’t want to go to one. They can’t shoot up or drink in there, and there are other rules to follow too. There are also some other issues of living in a shelter.
That’s why to reduce homelessness you provide people with unconditional housing, like housing first approach in Finland.
Yeah, that would be cool.
If only Reagan didn’t defund asylums in order to “prove” they didn’t work so that they could move the homeless to jail or on the street where they can be a scary story to keep us wage slaves in line.
Same thing Conservatives are doing in Europe with public healthcare.
Conservatives did that here in Vancouver, too.
This isn’t a US thing, Europe does the same.
Like they aren’t assured long term spots and can’t bring their pets, often the pets who helped them survive, physically and emotionally. Maybe fuck off with your exterminationist bullshit?
What exterminationist bullshit? Where in my comment did I say anything like that? Where did I say “all homeless do this”? I said you won’t get rid of homelessness by building shelters, since there are many homeless people who don’t want to go to a shelter. I also gave some reasons they don’t want to go. Not letting in pets is one such reason
What you’re describing isn’t shelters it’s a sad excuse.
You’ll never get rid of the homeless by building shelters.
You’ll never prevent fires by hiring Fire Fighters either.
Also…
You’ll never get rid of the homeless
Yikes.
Take it however you will, meant “get rid of homelessness”.
Yeah, a shelter is not of much use to someone who has the shakes so bad that he would still feel better if he had his fix while on the street while its freezing.
They need to learn how to elevate and just sleep in the air, man. Fucking homeless people can’t learn this one trick.
anti-homeless spikes? Pfft, just learn how to sleep on a bed of nails like those magicians.
There ya go.
Some say there is a missing panel where a acorn hits the cop and he unloads a full mag on the guy.
I love that the cat just joins the rats playing poker.
Background Details Rulz
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Second of all those fat loser fucks would be beating the person in the second panel.
One popular move employed by city cops is to steal all a homeless person’s belongings and trash them right before a big freeze or rainstorm or heat wave. This deprives the homeless population of protection from the elements and increases the rate of homeless death by exposure.
There was a Duke Nukem game where all the cops were literally pigs. I thought it was satire/fiction. How wrong I was.
I hate cops too and I’m fat. Why am I catching strays lol.
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No problem buddy. I appreciate that. 👈😎
It’s such a disappointment. We try to build a system with people to entrust our well-being to and help those in need, but it always goes wrong.
From ancient times and the king’s guard, to modern cops in some town. It always becomes corrupted.
And then in a few years, after making no efforts to create a space where homeless people can live the way they want or a path for them to get a job and a home, the enforcement of these laws will loosen up and you’ll be back to stepping over people on the sidewalk.
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Yes, that’s part of the problem. Pay for rehab with what money? Homeless shelters also aren’t a solution to homelessness, because shelters are not housing.
No. The rehab is free.
Province is even putting people up in apartments.Only rule is: no drugs in the apartment and you enroll in a free rehab program. 80% are turning it down willingly.
Drug addiction doesn’t work that way. Imagine if the only way to get housing was to quit smoking cold turkey. Very, very few people will succeed. Some of the homeless have tried to kick their habit and failed, so very few people would want to fail abstinence and go back on the streets.
Please don’t create straw man arguments.
I never said cold turkey or abstinence. I said “no drug use in the free apartment.”
Rehab is rarely successful, especially religious institutions, but that is no excuse for not trying to fix a very clear problem with ones self. Drug addictions work exactly like that. Either you want to change and you’re trying, or you don’t and you’re not.
Forced rehab is rarely successful. Voluntary rehab at the patient’s request is quite often successful.
I was curious what the difference was so I went searching for a study like this one and saw on Table 2 that voluntarily admitted treated individuals at the 6 month follow-up survey were only 50% abstinent for the prior 30 days compared to 24% of compulsorily admitted. However, it is true that the overdose rate for VA was much lower than CA’s 22%.
I’m not sure courts anywhere in the USA can force rehab for more than a year, some states do about 30-50 days. Even then, usually only for repeat offenders. With that in mind the number of people who complete treatment for compulsory admission is probably much much lower than for VA, but I didn’t bring stats to back that claim up.
I do also know for a fact, though, that the 2 year rate is even worse than those numbers, so rehab is more often unsuccessful regardless.
I’ve never done drugs before, but I’ve heard that once people experience being high, being sober is pretty damn depressing & unbearable, And they would rather live this miserable existence high than sober. At any cost, no matter the stakes.
Have you ever drunk alcohol? Then that means you have done drugs. Alcohol is a drug.
I’ve literally never drank alcohol either. I mean people have asked me to try it so I’ve taken a sip and IMO it tastes disgusting like poison and I had no desire to go beyond a taste, so no I’ve never drank alcohol.
And you’re right, alcohol is not only a drug but it’s the worst drug. And it’s socially acceptable and it will never be illegal because everyone’s addicted to it.
Have you ever been given drugs at the doctor’s or dentist, like anesthesia or pain meds? It’s pretty rare that someone has never experienced an altered state of mind at some point.
The majority of people have been high before, and the majority of people are not drug addicts who find being sober horribly depressing. It’s the depression that causes the drug addiction, not the other way around - though it certainly does make it harder to recover.
Doing street drugs or abusing prescription drugs is completely different from being put under anesthesia or having a dentist numb your mouth. They’re two different animals.
Have you ever been given drugs at the doctor’s or dentist, like anesthesia or pain meds?
Yes, at the dentist they numbed my pain. When I was 14 I had general anesthesia for surgery. And when I gave birth I had an epidural.
The shelters aren’t near where people work. They’re also often more dangerous than the street.
What is on his T-shirt?
Might be “No, you’re Spartacus”
Haha. Great. Must be it.
I dunno, but these background details rulz.
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Technically illegal here in the UK too. Shops have put out spikes outside their windows and walls in recent years too. Totally scummy.
