• spujb@lemmy.cafeOP
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      6 days ago

      woooosh but given the upvotes i guess its good that other people also know its a joke 😅😂

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            Disagree. Liberals are bad, but fascists are explicitly not liberals. Fascism is socialism for dummies. It requires rejecting liberalism, socialism, or anything that has common rules to mediate power. It’s a state of nature without the pretense of a social contract.

            Liberalism eventually collapses into fascism or socialism(rarely successfully), but that doesn’t make it fascism or socialism. Current China has been increasingly fascist recently, but they are still loosely bound by rules and norms that resemble liberalism at this point. Fascists like Trump use norms for brownie points while talking out of both sides of his mouth in the same breath. They are for nothing but spreading like a plague.

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              hehe i was just repeating a pithy little saying not start a debate :) fully agree with you for the record

              Liberalism eventually collapses into fascism

              my opinion is this as well. again fully agree with you i wasn’t trying to engage at all. take care :)

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                Neoliberal ideology leads to fascism. The actual neoliberals themselves are not fascists. We can work with neoliberals. The problem with scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds is that it’s a mindset that creates enemies out of people who are our allies.

                Don’t get me wrong. Neoliberals need to abandon their ideology in favor of socialism. And a populist narrative wouldn’t hurt the Democrats either. But if we blind ourselves to the difference between neoliberals and fascists, we are making things harder for ourselves.

                I think we actually agree on this, we just phrase it slightly differently.

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                  Neoliberals rely on fascists to exist, there is no collaborating with them. Democrats will literally always side with the far right over the even remotely left, and will always collaborate with Republicans and recognize them as a legitimate party rather than a legitimate cancer that needs to be stopped. Neolibs (libs in general really) are the left wing of fascism, and can absolutely never be relied upon to fight fascism, because they will always work with fascists against the left until fascists kill them all

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                  I’m a firm believer in providing answers to why we’re here. The buck stops with power, and the rich had all the power. Neolibs did their bidding, and thus they deserve no kindness. I’m never listening to their arguments for business again. They need to be told to shut the fuck up. They have no goodwill from the public, so we don’t need to pretend to like them.

                  They can be our allies because our interests might align, but we gain more by explaining why they failed than by letting them have respect. We need to build the left as an answer, and neolibs have no place with us.

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              8 days ago

              i will lash out against everyone unapologetically funding genocide, thank you very much ❤️

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                Biden wasn’t running for president. Harris wanted to end the war. Trump wanted Israel to finish the job. Accelerationist rhetoric hurt the Democratic Party’s chances of winning at the expense of your goal to help the Palestinians. Now the genocide will be allowed to continue indefinitely.

                You’re free to debilitate yourself as much as you want. Could you like, stop though. Please?

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                  Harris was the candidate of liberal democracy. She was the status quo, which is not what we needed to beat fascism. We now know in hindsight that we needed an open primary from the start. By the time Biden decided to step down, it was too little too late.

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                  i understand you are emotionally invested in this. but me being critical of the fact that every time she was asked why your tax dollars were going to a nation performing a HOLOCAUST she opened by saying “Israel has a right to defend itself” does not make me an accelerationist. it makes me a decent fucking person.

                  look through all 2000+ of my comments and NOWHERE will you find me advocating accelerationism or a democratic loss. you are forcing an entirely made up narrative and position onto me that i do not accept. get it through your head that decent people might want to call it out when murder is supported without question. and lastly be fucking nice.