Sure, there are always outliers and you can correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s just the overall impression I have.

(I wasn’t sure if !asklemmy@lemmy.world or this community would fit better for this kind of question, but I assume it fits here.)

  • Rimu@piefed.socialEnglish
    587·
    11 days ago

    Normally I’d say it was a weakness but the right has significantly departed from reality in most countries for way too long now. It’s incredibly rare to find a right-winger who can be present in a discussion without spewing a whole lot of vile conspiracy hate fascist bullshit.

    So I find their absence refreshing, desirable and a strength of Lemmy.

    • bluGill@fedia.io
      2712·
      11 days ago

      I find the same on the left wing. Everytime I put out a slightly right wing position I get attacked and a ton of down votes.

      Every time anyone mentions on Lemmy right wing positions it is with only to attack a strawman version that is very removed from what most right wing people think/do.

      • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
        373·
        11 days ago

        Downvotes can’t actually hurt you.

        Personally, I’m fine with saying unpopular things and getting downvoted for it. Mods removing a disallowed viewpoint is something different.

          • Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            4·
            10 days ago

            Just remember that the first person to say the world went around the sun got downvoted into oblivion… but it is factually accurate and a giant leap towards out current understanding of the physical realm. I’m happy for people to disagree with my views. Fuck, I probably disagreed with half of them, thirty years ago.

        • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
          32·
          11 days ago

          Mods removing a disallowed viewpoint is something different.

          They will only do that if the opinion actually resonates lol

          • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
            63·
            11 days ago

            Haha yes, that’s usually the issue. I talked down below about getting banned on slrpnk because of some things I was saying. The comment thread with all the highly-upvoted replies getting removed by the mod, and the downvoted stuff intact, is hilarious to me:

            https://slrpnk.net/post/14823401/11895951

            The same mod also had a habit of arguing with people, while removing their comments but leaving his own side of the argument intact. He’s still a moderator there. In my opinion slrpnk needs to spend less time talking about anarchism and more time embodying anarchism.

            • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
              104·
              11 days ago

              Removed Comment I am gratified by the rate of downvotes on this. Greta Thunberg would, I think, be disappointed and angry that anyone would take what she said as a justification for ways to help get Trump elected. Let me highlight the very clearly written part that you seem to have missed: > It is probably Impossible to overestimate the consequences this specific election will have for the world and for the future of humanity. > > There is no doubt that one of the candidates — Trump — is way more dangerous than the other. If you want real positive change, listen to Greta and fight for change outside the system. If you want third parties, support RCV and proportional representation, to make them viable. If you want the end of the fucking world, then don’t vote, or vote for spoiler candidates within the current system that makes them unelectable. Edit: Formatting by PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat

              reason: Electoralism, liberalism

              well you did kinda invade their safe space with common sense ideas, shit lord hehe

              • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
                73·
                11 days ago

                “We’re anarchists.”

                “Cool. Here’s an urgent problem I see for the world that I think we should work on.”

                “SHIT COCK GET OUT DISALLOWED We don’t say that here. You’re receiving a gentle ban, to think about what you’ve done. Be better.”

                • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
                  33·
                  11 days ago

                  That’s the current modding situation across any community focused on working class politics… as if people running them are not interested in helping the peasants.

                  Why would anyone act like that on social media… for free at that

                • TheFonz@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  11·
                  10 days ago

                  Oh my god… This is spot on. I feel like everyone here is mostly larping.

            • hono4kami@slrpnk.netEnglish
              3·
              11 days ago

              I use solarpunk and disappointed that it happened to you. I felt like solarpunk was the best instance Lemmy has, it feels like it has the least amount of echo chamber. Maybe I’m wrong.

              I moderate my own community in solarpunk and I will try my best to not be like the moderator you talk about

              • poVoq@slrpnk.netEnglish
                43·
                10 days ago

                I think you will see that these accusations have little substance, are taken out of context and argued in bad faith 🤷‍♂️

                • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
                  61·
                  10 days ago

                  All I’ve done is link to the comments section illustrating what I was saying had happened, had happened.

                  Here he is, arguing with people while removing their comments and leaving his comments in place: https://slrpnk.net/post/14823401/11894346

                  I have no idea why you’re defending this guy. Like I said, the communities that try to “protect” their points of view, saying that one viewpoint is permitted in their space but other ones are will get you banned, generally become laughingstocks over time. It’s very different from protecting against abuse or racism, when you “protect” your space against people who don’t agree with some particular detail the way some particular person has interpreted it, and appoint an arbiter of what are the allowed interpretations, to ban anyone they disagree with. I think you should abandon that practice, and the censorship of ideas you disagree with, if you want to say that you’re supporting an instance that respects individual human freedom.

                  I don’t really have a problem with you in general, I was a little bit surprised that you came out swinging to defend this moderator. Maybe this all sounds like sour grapes on my part, but that is usually the result of banning people for disagreeing with you. It sparks a surprising amount of resentment.

                  • poVoq@slrpnk.netEnglish
                    41·
                    10 days ago

                    We already explained in detail why we supported their moderation decision and you bringing it up again without providing the necessary context in which this happened is just bad faith shit slinging hoping some of it sticks.

                  • Skiluros@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                    21·
                    10 days ago

                    That thread is wild. I had no clue slrpunk was like that (I only go to some non-political communities on slrpunk).

                  • poVoq@slrpnk.netEnglish
                    32·
                    10 days ago

                    This is not the first time this is discussed and bringing it up out of context is just bad-faith arguing.

                • TheFonz@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  32·
                  10 days ago

                  What are you talking about… This is the experience of most of us that dare slightly disagree on anything. It shouldn’t be this way

      • Rimu@piefed.socialEnglish
        13·
        10 days ago

        You’re comparing downvotes with “vile conspiracy hate fascist bullshit”. The behavior I’m talking about isn’t hurtful in the social-rejection way that downvotes are, it goes way way beyond that. Can you see the difference?

      • ZeroOne@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        10 days ago

        I empathize, as a human being you have to realize that it is YOU that has to use politics as a tool & NOT BECOME a tool of Politics (Do you get what I mean) Use both Right & Left policies, I think it was called Moderatism or Communitarianism

      • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
        11·
        10 days ago

        Every time anyone mentions on Lemmy right wing positions it is with only to attack a strawman version

        It would help if you would be more precise. You are using a “feels like” statement here, which I have to disagree with b/c it is objectively false: all it would take would be to find a singular example wherein it was not true, at which point “every time” is shown to be invalid.

        But often that does occur, yes. Sometimes our choice of wording can impede rather than aid in understanding?

        And I say this as someone who seems to be more often misunderstood than not, go figure :-|.

        • bluGill@fedia.io
          2·
          10 days ago

          I’m sure a counter example exists, but I’ve been around for year and not seen it yet. Though I’ll accept that the exception probably exists.