Nothing says, “we’ve done nothing wrong,” quite like banning journalists who disagree with you.
In the article, it also says that at some point not too long ago, Israel killed one of their journalists.
Shireen Abu Akleh. There’s a video showing what happened leading up to her death.
And there’s a video of the IDF attacking her funeral
An Israeli sniper ““accidentally”” shot her
They’re the propaganda arm of Doha, the same government that protects Hamas leadership. They’ve repeatedly printed Hamas lies without fact checking. Why would Israel not ban their propaganda outlet? Calling them journalists when they don’t adhere to basic journalistic standards is ludicrous. This isn’t new either. They’ve been acting this way forever. Lying about the hospital bombing was just the last straw.
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Lies like the 40 beheaded babies that the entire western media spread?
“Lies” in this case means “reported on claims made by actual Israeli soldiers without sufficient cross-checking, but explicitly walked back pretty much immediately”, plus there are non-Israeli sources (at least one french journalist-editor and czech ambassador) who specifically say that they were shown the actual photos of beheaded babies and cross-checked them (the number 40 seems to be bullshit, but iirc most media did not report that and these people did not claim that either).
Next to that is Al Jazeera whose purpose for existing is to spread Qatari world of view by reporting relatively objectively on most things to gain trust and spreading pure propaganda on issues like most things related to Israel.
It really isn’t all that similar.
So random rumors spread by soldiers should be treated as truth (because its pro-team Israel ) but reporting on what the ministry of health of gaza, officials in israel, and random israel soldiers all confirm is spreading baseless lies (because it is anti-team Israel)?
No denying AJ doesn’t spread propaganda. But if Israel wants to stop propganda, maybe they should start by getting rid of their officials and soldiers, who are spreading the rumors in the first place?
So random rumors spread by soldiers should be treated as truth (because its pro-team Israel )
I thought that my quote on what happened in that case pretty clearly implied that it was a screw-up. Nevertheless, it was a relatively short-lived screw up which, unlike the claims of 500 killed by a supposed Israeli strike on a hospital, didn’t seem to do any damage apart from slightly lessening the trustworthiness of media or Israel for some people.
reporting on what the ministry of health of gaza, officials in israel, and random israel soldiers all confirm
If you’re talking about the hospital strike, I haven’t seen anyone but the ministry of health of Gaza say what they said, and the ministry of health of Gaza is de facto Hamas. I do see Hamas, a terrorist organization, as implicitly less trustworthy than IDF, even though I don’t trust everything IDF says, yes.
So you didn’t even bother looking at the sources for the claim you make fun of?
Given members of the IDF have supported the idea that it was an intentional attract to get Hamas hiding in the hospital from the moment it happened, why don’t you believe the IDF members and Hamas when they agree that it was an Israeli attack? I don’t even believe it was an Israeli attack* and this incident just further demonstrates the IDF members and Israeli officials will just make up stuff to bolster their side even when they have no actual information. There’s no reason to believe either side imo.
*The worst case is Israel defended themselves against a missile and the payload from the middle happened to fall on a hospital because a terrorist group was too incompetent to make sure that a hospital wasn’t directly under the trajectory. I don’t think someone having an incoming missile has any obligation to first check what happens to be under the missile at the time before destroying said missile, so it’s still doesn’t make Israel look bad imo like some people are claiming.
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People are still spreading the beheaded baby horseshit
Honestly, the only context in which I see it is people complaining about it being a lie, but that may just be that we have different internet bubbles.
Personally I don’t call it horseshit because several people that I consider trustworthy confirmed being shown photos of beheaded babies (though not 40 of them, but I’ve never even seen that claim anywhere, I’ve seen a separate early claim that 40 babies were killed in total, not specifically beheaded) by Israeli officials, one of them being our ambassador, who so far has been a completely trustworthy person as far as I know. We also do know that Israelis only showed some photos privately to selected foreign politicians, journalists and diplomats, because (apart from them saying so) the people shown described those photos and they were later released publicly. It is not inconceivable that the beheaded babies were among those not released to public for some reason.
It’s a basic propaganda technique. You, to great fanfare, release some big fuckoff lie that makes the “other” look bad (“V17 FUCKS GOATS! V17 IS A GOATFUCKER, EVERYONE!”) and then days or weeks later you follow up with the truth to head off any claims that you couldn’t possibly be a REAL journalist (“Our apologies, it seems V17 was only washing his car. There was no goat. He did not fuck the car.”) but you do so in as quiet and half-assed of a manner as possible.
The issue is that is not what happened. Apart from what I say above, the fact that white house representatives pretty much immediately walked back on that was widely reported by mainstream media a day later. Also, the attack was already so brutal that it changed nothing about how Hamas is being perceived. For most people, slaughtered civilians with marks of torture and burned babies (those were afaik released on photos, but I did not want to look to check) were unsurprisingly enough.
Compare that to a failed rocket of palestinian islamic jihad falling on a hospital parking lot, Hamas knowingly lying about it according to a released wiretap and people still arguing that Israel did it in similar threads on Lemmy.
Also I’ll have you know that I fuck sheep, not goats.
What’s more likely?
That a news outlet appears totally committed to the most objective possible view on any issue ever except for exactly this.
Or
Maybe you might be wrong sometimes as humans are not infallible.
Both are entirely possible, even at once. Also it’s not just “exactly this”, it’s generally a broader range of topics. And, to nitpick a bit, “relatively objectively” is not the same as “totally committed to the most objective possible view”.
For another example of the former, as the guy below you says, years ago this was the exact modus operandi of (the english version of) Russia Today, until it reoriented and started targeting straight up pro-russian conspiracy nuts. Sputnik I think was always a bit out there, but I’m honestly not sure.
If whatabautism about the other side propaganda is your best response to defend their journalistic integrity I don’t think you have an argument
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There it is. Calling anyone who doesn’t support Israeli genocide an anti-semite. Fuck off with your bullshit.
as someone that’s relatively neutral and uninformed on the subject, where would one go look for evidence to suggest that al bagheera are a bunch of panthers waiting to eat your face off?
This is sad. I know Al Jazeera is owned by Qatar and has a POV but Al Jazeera English, at least, has had excellent, on-the-ground reporting. In the U.S., all the cable news channels were just having pundits speculate based on no reporting or doing useless interviews with politicians trying to be the most pro-Israel.
I basically put on every channel at some point during the crisis and the best English-language reporting was Al Jazeera English along with the BBC for some stuff. They weren’t getting facts wrong and they have bureaus all over the Middle East (including Gaza) so they were breaking stories while other outlets were still trying to get reporters briefed and to the region.
Hmm sounds suspiciously similar to another country that bans any media that isn’t state-controlled…
Middle-East Eye:
Al Jazeera:
Qatar:
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