• HexesofVexes@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Post shower toilet thought: Copyright isn’t there to protect the author, it’s there to create a multi-billion dollar legal industry.

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      Expect…no? Like, copyright gets abused a lot, but it’s still used for its intended purpose of protecting small time creators and artists all the time.

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        There’s nothing about abuse in the comment you replied to. In fact, the act of “protecting small time creators and artists” goes through the legal system, funding it like the commenter said…

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        Lemmy is full of people that have never created anything of value frothing at the mouth because they aren’t entitled other people’s creations. I wonder how long it would take them to change their tune if they actually created something worthwhile but got none of the recognition for it if IP laws didn’t exist.

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          Or, it could be that for once we got access to the same powerful tools the capitalists got access to, and we’re annoyed that the capitalists have been successful at convincing people the tech is evil so that the poors dont use it. (Morals have never stopped corporations from doing anything, so tech being “Evil” only ever stops the general public from using it)

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            Only the capitalists have access to creating stuff? You do know you can just put in the practice and get good right?

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              Oh yeah sure. Lemme just dedicate another 5-10 years of my life to mastering a skill when I only have a few hours free a week to unwind after spending all my energy working full time.

              Edit: The funniest thing about this take is that the people who spout it think they are defending artists without realising that they are massively devaluing all the time effort and skill artists have put into their craft with the suggestion that basically any working class adult could do what they do if they wanted to

              Edit 2: I know its incredibly hard to believe, but some of us just want access to creative freedom, and dont particularly care about the skill that gives us said freedom. Even if I had the pen and paper skills to make my art from scratch, I’d STILL be using Stable Diffusion at this point as it massively speeds up the process, I’d just be doing heavier editing of the results than I already do, and would probably train a LORA off of my own art

              Edit: 3 Lmao entitled artists are BIG MAD. Techs not going away, and you’re burning out the empathy of those who could be convinced to use more ethical options as they arise. Instead you want to kill the tech entirely, and so the new generation of artists that use these new tools will ignore your input entirely. Your labour is being exploited, welcome to capitalism. You want change? Fix the systemic issues. You want sympathy? Stop being assholes. AI Generators can be run on personal computers now with no connection to the internet, Pandora’s Box is opened and cannot be closed again. Live with it.

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                Why do you feel you’re owed the work of people who have spent those years without compensating them or even asking for that matter? You do realise that is unsustainable right?

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                  Because I disagree on whether or not it is theft. I watch the program generate the images from blots and then add more details. The images are made from scratch with techniques learned from the things it trained on. Its not a 1-1 comparison to how a human learns, but its closer than anything before it has been. Most artists have traced or done other taboo forms of learning in the process of acquiring their skills before they have the skillset to charge money for their work, and they CERTAINLY have benefited from thousands of years of art history and culture. Its not as black and white as artists want to make it out to be, its not squeeky fucking clean either, as more ethical options arise, I will use those. But this tech is amazing and has the potential to dramatically change the art scene for the better once those with skills start adopting it more. It will allow more artists to break free from corporate sponsors, to take on bigger solo projects than they were able to before. At the end of the day, its Capitalism stealing work from artists, not the machine. This whole debacle has reminded me that what stopped me from entering the arts as a child was the elitism.

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                    At the end of the day, its Capitalism stealing work from artists, not the machine.

                    Fully agree on this… but since we live in a capitalist system and until we don’t anymore, it’s still wrong.

                    The images are made from scratch with techniques learned from the things it trained on.

                    With no input (in the almost totality of cases) from the artist. None of the artists agreed to have their work being used to train the machine and if their work is being used for that they deserve to be compensated.

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          FWIW I’ve been creating IP as a career for a long time. I still want what OP wants, a UBI instead.

          This is where people usually suggest that I start unilaterally sharing my work right now, ignoring the economic assumptions behind why a UBI would be necessary to replace IP.

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            I’m in your same position and fully agree. An UBI would be way better… but until that exists it’s not right that people make use of my work for their own profit.