Looking more and more like real news every day.
Israel has a terrible track record with MSF.
I support the creation of MSF commandos
Diamond dogs
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Citation required.
If the convoy potentially had hostages why would Israel blow it up?
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Wait you think MSF deserved to be attacked?
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What the fucking kind of BS whataboutism is that?
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Hey, you do you, ok. Whatever helps you sleep at night 👍.
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Nobody should be attacked. MSF has previously been a bastion of impartial medical aid. You give that up and become partial then it’s reasonable to guess you’re doing shady shit. MSF will have a long way to go to restore their credibility
If you’re upset about MSF treating wounded without regard to their position in this conflict you may need to meditate on the meaning of the “Sans Frontières” part.
Ok there’s treating all comers… then there’s having two terrorists drag crying, just raped women into the room for injuries they inflicted on them and helping them out as they beg for help.
I’m not sure where the line between impartial and accomplice is by MSF definitely crossed it.
Watch the video of the hostages they took
So they shouldn’t have helped the hostages?
I have not come across this video, but the way you’re describing it… What are they supposed to do? Not provide medical care to injured people that are brought to them? Should they have denied care because the patients were hostages? Do you think violent terrorists would let them deny care if that’s what they brought them for? Should the doctors have called up prime minister Benjamin Mileikowsky to drone strike the hospital? Would that have helped the hostages?
What do you decree humanitarian doctors should do in a conflict zone, o noble and righteous blahsay?
Yeah this isn’t one of those grey areas. A few gunmen drag in freshly raped, crying women who are begging for help and you assist the gunmen, you become complicit.
Here’s the relevant section of the MSF Code of Conduct that the doctors in question flouted if morality is a tricky one for you:
MSF staff members and operational partners shall not accept, under any circumstances, behaviour that exploits the vulnerability of others, in the broadest possible sense (sexual, economic, social, etc.).
In no world is providing medical assistance to a victim accepting the exploiting behavior of the perpetrator.
Framing providing medical aid to a victim as “assisting the gunmen” to make a point is sick.
If you were a doctor in a warzone, and someone with a gun brought you their victim they just raped/abused, would you turn that patient away? What specific actions would you take in that moment?
What would I do? Treat the patients, then contact my boss telling them I’d spotted some of the hostages, in bad condition and post torture.
Given MSF seems to be working hard to sweep this under the rug I’d probably forward the exchange to several newspapers next.
Morals people. Call out the MSF and demand they apologise for violating their principles if nothing else.
Did doctors without borders ever address why hospitals they have been working at have been simultaneously been used as weapons depots?
Do you think msf doctors, or even local doctors knew where weapons were stored? It was an open secret? That wouldnt be a great hiding place if people know.
Yes, Hamas storing weapons in Hospitals has been an open secret for years now and has been reported on by multiple news outlets for years.
The organization should have refused to serve in hospitals that doubled as weapons depots, jails and torture centers.
By not doing so, they choose sides in the conflict and make themselves legitimate military targets.
Do you think Hamas gave yours to these doctors to show them and they all just kept quiet.
Sure, there were unconfirmed rumours but Israel’s intelligence service struggles to prove it for a long time. To me that confirms hidden and unknown location.
It’s also rumoured that Bibi was aware of the attach coming. Is that now assumed confirmed, just because it’s an open secret?
Msf offer medical services. They don’t pick sides. Adding the injured in any location is not picking sides. Hamas using the hospitals as a shield is terrible and undermines their independence and safety. Israel targeting them without due care for the injured within is a war crime.
Msf offer medical services. They don’t pick sides.
If you’re working in a military installation you’ve chosen a side. Thats the point.
I understand the point. I just disagree. If terrorists took over a hospital, Die Hard style, do you think the doctors are now terrorists if they continue to see patients? That’s not how it works. Hamas is both a terrorist organisation and the de facto government so the line is even more blurry. There aren’t an abundance of other health facilities the doctors can work from. That’s part of the reason msf is there, a lack of suitable health workers and facilities for the population. Even more so in a warzone.
If they took over the hospital a decade ago and you continued to operate in it? Yes absolutely. It’s not like this is something that just happened prior to the war. Doctors without borders could have raised a stink in 2016 until August of this year about it but they chose not to.
There aren’t an abundance of other health facilities the doctors can work from.
Then you don’t work there. Doctors without borders manages to operate in war zones all across the world without operating in military depots. If Palestinians don’t want their help there are millions of underserved people across the world who need their help and won’t force them to compromise their neutrality.
They is who? The government? Hamas the terrorists? Hamas the health authority?
Yes msf should just abandon Gaza hospitals altogether based on unconfirmed rumors (at the time) of the hospitals being used for weapon storage. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
MSF work in the environment that is available to them, wherever that is. Hamas is the elected government in Palestine. It just happens the last elections are 20 years ago and half are under 18.
Not operating there since 2007 would be taking a side, which, again, they don’t do. They treat patients.
You’re right, I don’t work for MSF. When I started the volunteer process, a minimum commitment was 2 years and I could not commit to that. I was not looking at Gaza, but Africa.
The whole point of the name is to say they are non political. You kind of don’t seem to understand the practical implications of that and require a purity of apolitical stance that does not exist in a warzone, or even a stable democracy.
Of course not. Then they would also admit who and what they transported in that convoy.
