• Empricorn@feddit.nl
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    11 days ago

    What a weird sentiment. Sex work is work. I guarantee OF posters are just trying to survive. Like all of us, some are good people, some are not…

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      11 days ago

      Dumbasses will resonate with this shitty reactionary meme and then wonder why there isn’t a united front of working class people

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          7 days ago

          You get that self employed is still working class right?

          They are still providing a service, even if it’s just entertainment

          Their main source of income isn’t the exploitation of workers for capital accumulation

          This is a basic Marxian framework, you’re the one being needlessly divisive here.

          I’m pointing out how when people devalue / de-legitimize sex work, they are participating in class division when they should be focused on class unity.

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            7 days ago

            Why are you classifying OF content creators as sex workers? They are content creators. That is an important difference. The same difference between a reporter/marketer and a channel owner.

            OF creators are classified the same way as Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and independent blogs.

            The same dynamic applies to non sex content. What garners them money is the sale of digital products, independent of the labour put in.

            For an independent blog it is the revenue from the online content property that garners money not the labour. They could have spent 1 hour to get $1000 or 100 hours to get $1. What the difference is how many people buy the digital product. Replicating a digital product is zero. So independent blogs get paid for access to content or, for ads, access to an audience, not the work itself. A reporter or marketer by contrast gets paid to produce the content, once the content is produced the owner owns it. For independent blogs, the worker and owner is the same person. So the independent blog gets paid from the revenue generated from ownership of said blog.

            OF creators are not getting paid for work, in the same sense a sex worker is. A sex worker needs to work for each transaction, but OF creators get paid for access to an owned and legally protected repository of sex based content.

            Furthermore, a large majority of these content creators do not view themselves as working class. They would gladly take your sympathy while getting money from access to copywrited content.

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      11 days ago

      Sex work is face-to-face.

      Onlyfans work is the cultivation of parasocial relationships: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocial_interaction

      And this applies to non-porn accounts too, once they reach a critical mass.

      Hence I don’t think it’s about good or bad workers, it’s more that the system is setup to be unhealthy and manipulative to everyone but the top of the pyramid.

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        11 days ago

        It absolutely does not have to be face-to-face. Since you use Wikipedia:

        Sex work is “the exchange of sexual services, performances, or products for material compensation. It includes activities of direct physical contact between buyers and sellers as well as indirect sexual stimulation”.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_work

        the system is setup to be unhealthy and manipulative to everyone but the top of the pyramid.

        Bruh. You just described almost every company on the planet…

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      11 days ago

      Honestly i don’t think many local meth dealers have 5 cars.

      Now maybe some of the executives and owners of the pharmaceutical companies that have been pushing opioids for decades on the other hand…

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    11 days ago

    Back when Linus Tech Tips did their April Fools Day Only Fans special, I made an Only Fans account.

    Sure there was boobs and coaplay reccomended to me, but I remember there was a fully clothed skateboarder there. Think ~30 followers/likes.

    Only fans is not JUST for nudes. You can go there and show off your skills there too.

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    11 days ago

    This is a long reply. I agree with you, I’m explaining my perspective of why I think you see what you are seeing, feedback is welcome.

    Thank you OP for this meme. I don’t get why the other commenters are defending OF creators as sex work when they are clearly financially benefiting from isolation to create parasocial relationships for sex as opposed to having those same people have the time for actual relationships.

    Most OF creators make next to nothing but some make boatloads. Same with drug dealers. The same cannot be said of regular, average job holding employees.

    This is because when you have a job, you sell time, while with OF and drugs you sell products. And since multiple people can buy the same product at the same time, some (because of probability) get rich. But it is impossible for you to sell the same hour more then once. Try selling your same 9-5 time to 2, 3 or more employers at the same time, you cannot. Instead you have to get a second job and sell more hours of your day. Since you sell more hours of your day, you buy more products (take-out for food, OF for sex, and drugs for relaxation). If many do this at the same time, then each day these sellers have multiple people buying their products at the same time as opposed to one after the other.

    Selling products is parallel while selling hours is serial. Number of products they can sell is capped by the number of people who buy, i.e. for the internet (OF) it’s in the billions and they control the profit per membership $/product, but the number of hours you can sell is capped at only 24 hours per day, that’s it, you cannot sell more so you only control the rate $/hr to get rich. They have 2 variables to play with while you only have 1.

    Most OF creators get next to nothing because they only sell few products at low prices while some get a lot because they sell a lot at low prices. But I bet there are some OF creators that sell few products at high prices. Many products (100,000 products) * low price (10 $/products) = few products (10 products) * high price (100,000 $/product) = be able to buy 5 cars ($1,000,000). See, 2 variables, and neither is time (because time is capped at 24) is important to get rich because you can play with both to get where you want.

    This also shows why most OF creators struggle. Few products (10 products) * low profits (10 $/product) = “just getting by” ($100). Most OF creators price their product low because their are a lot of people who pay low prices so they charge the same price because they see that price the most often. What they could do is charge the same number, fewer people, but higher prices to get the same result.

    Also be aware there is no minimum price point so if you sell at 0.01$/product you need a lot more product to be able to make a living, let alone rich. Look at stripe. They sell at 0.30$/product but their product is online transactions, and there are a lot if transactions. So 0.30 $/transaction * 10,000,000,000 transactions = $3,000,000,000.

    Furthermore, while some OF creators get 5 cars the owners of the OF platform have 5 yachts because all OF creators (all the big and all the small creators) go through the OF platform so all OF transactions is the number of products that the OF platform company sells (product) * ($/products) and their $/product is their cut of each OF membership = $$$.

    This shows the same goes beyond just OF creators and drug dealers but all products, including food, cloths, rental units, online content, games, toys, cars, appliances, etc.

    When doing the above examples keep the correct units. Unit algebra is important here: $/product * product = $ same as $/hr * hr = $ but remember the max number for hr is 24 while #products is uncapped. $/hr and $/product is determined by your ability to negotiate.

    So, given hr is capped at 24 and #product is uncapped, would you rather have $7.25/hr or $7.25/product ? ($7.25 is fed. min. wage in US, replace your min wage in this example to drive the point home).

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      11 days ago

      “I don’t get why the other commenters are defending OF creators as sex work when they are clearly financially benefiting from isolation to create parasocial relationships for sex as opposed to having those same people have the time for actual relationships.”

      “Financially benefiting from isolation” like video games? Or alcohol companies? Maybe gambling? Or like almost any company that uses advertising?? FOMO is a thing outside OF.

      It’s on individual if you are spending too much time on OF to have actual relationships that is the fault of the individual. OF creaters aren’t mind controlling ppl. No offense but this smells almost incelish.