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Shopping for a laptop as a Linux user:

Screenshot from the Simpsons where Otto is talking to Marge and Homer standing next to a window in their house with a caption “Oh wow, windows!.. I don’t think I can afford this place.”

  • Clent@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Apple spyware? Cute that you make shit up to justify your victimhood. The vendors that install actual spyware appreciate your ignorance.

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        8 months ago

        That wasn’t the accusation.

        There are many who use Apple laptops as Linux laptops.

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          8 months ago

          I don’t understand your initial point. He’s talking about what you get when you buy a new PC. If you buy an Apple PC, you’ll get Apple spyware. It doesn’t imply anything about some Apple buyers putting Linux on their PCs

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            8 months ago

            Apple spyware means exactly what to you? You can’t just make shit up because you hate Apple. Then on top of that expect someone who is more knowledgeable to accept your ignorance.

            When people ask for advice and reject the most common paths that professional take because they cannot get over their own ignorance, they aren’t actually asking for advice. They are playing victim and looking for their fellow ignorants to ditto them.

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              8 months ago

              I 100% guarantee you that any Apple product is collecting your data and squeezing as much profit as possible out of it. Why? well, Why not!

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                  8 months ago

                  The source is common sense, same way I know that they turn off the lights at night.

                  They can do it, they have the incentive to do it, there is nobody to tell them not to do it

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                Except it’s not. It’s great that you understand most companies are positioned this way but Apple is not. I don’t expect anyone in a technology forum that cannot understand the nuances.

                Paranoia is good but if you choose Google because you falsely believe you have no choice because everyone else is doing it too, then cool.

                I am no pied piper and I wouldn’t want it any other way. I abhor groupthink and while I will never refrain from pointing out the obvious cases of it, I couldn’t care less if anyone listened. People far smarter than I have written on the folly of arguing in these instances.

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            8 months ago

            There are a lot of smart people making sure Apple hardware supports Linux. There is a limited number of variations, the hardware itself has high built quality and Apple pushes support into the Linux community so the hardware can more easily run Linux.

            The same cannot be said about any random windows laptop.

            As others have noted, if you want a Linux first laptop, there are options.

            However this idea that Apple spies on its users has no merit. It’s a claim I have only witnessed being made by the witless.

            I’ve been in the internet long enough to know not to expect fools to accept they are fools.

            Unlike the morons of the internet, I am always ready to be proven wrong. However, it doesn’t look like that’s about to happen here.

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              8 months ago

              Have you considered that your approach may contribute to your difficulties dealing with such people? The tone of your messages is extremely aggressive.

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                No, I’m good. I’m not here to make friends. I’m not even expecting to challenge anyone’s techno-religion. At best I would say this is devil advocacy but it’s not quite that since it’s not about what I believe or do not believe. But it’s about what others believe and the display of fervent belief in others intrigue me, especially where it exists in the face of clear unambiguous reality.

                For example, Trump supporters fascinate me in this same way. People say being nice is a better approach there as well, but i am not trying to deal with them or change their minds either. In that situation I refer to it as stick poking.

                Again, it’s the belief that intrigues me. The sociology behind it is understudied.

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        8 months ago

        You made the accusation, you back it up. I’m not doing the leg work for you.

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          Here are a few examples, but if you do some research like I told you to, you’ll stumble upon many more:

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            8 months ago

            only person that cites sources instead of just being a kind of aggressive tool, this post deserves to be at the top fs

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            8 months ago

            Click bait

            Click bait

            Hardware flaw

            None of this is spyware. Not a single piece.

            If I cared I could have guessed these were some of the examples you added to your “Apple is bad head cannon” but these still aren’t what is being alleged by the original poster, spyware.

            At best you can claim Apple is using terms and conditions to add wiggle room but again, not spyware.

            I asked if you know what spyware is but I get that it doesn’t matter. Your head cannon is unbeatable and it’s easier to dismiss me as a no nothing asshole. The crowd has spoke, this technology forum is more interested in groupthink than technology.

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              What are your sources for debunking mine?
              Besides you just not liking to face the truth?

              Blanket surveillance is not clickbait,
              it’s spyware, and a problem.

              But sure continue to stick your head in the sand,
              that will surely help humanity beat this problem.

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                  Interesting point about non-conventional cookie practices flagging “privacy-first” users as unique to spying parties. I’d imagine this line of thinking harmonizes with the herd mentality, where if you stand outside of the herd you’re more likely to be spotted and targeted. Makes you wonder what practices users could engage to actually help combat privacy invasion, and which might backfire

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                  Lol, I’m done discussing with you fruity.

                  You’re blatantly ignoring / laughing away evidence to protect the image of a bad, but for some reason, you’re favorite spyware slinging company.

                  And on top of it,
                  now also bashing the privacy and linux communities since you can’t make valid debunkments :P

                  Instead of bashing,
                  to suck up to that spying company,
                  perhaps you should try defending your rights to privacy for a change.

                  You may rant in the void now,
                  I won’t waste time on your fanboy nonsense anymore.