• vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    8 months ago

    It’s not the engineers that are the problem, or even limited to the tech industry. Dark patterns are top-down business decisions, motivated by money.

    Just following orders, right?

    Come on, that’s not how morality works.

    • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      8 months ago

      Are you a moron? Because you sound like one. Are you really equating wageslaves working for Google instead of facilitating the sale of gazillions of far more unethical products at their local Walmart by being an associate customer success checkout wagie or smth to soldiers committing attrocities? Do you not even realize the “you hate prison, yet you participate in it - curious” levels of bullshit that view entails?

      Because if you did that you’d be a moron. You are a moron.

      • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        8 months ago

        Are you seriously suggesting knowledge workers have no responsibility for how their work is used?

        • HowManyNimons@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          8 months ago

          We have limited options in what we can do to get money. I currently have a job where I’m proud of what I do, but it took decades of working for assholes to get there. Even now I’m not comfortable with everything I’m asked to do. I push back when it’s unethical, and sometimes that changes things. Sometimes it doesn’t and I just have to do as I’m told. What’s your life like?

          • Corbin@programming.devOP
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            8 months ago

            I directly tell my managers that what they are asking for is illegal, and then I refuse to do it. So far, I’ve yet to be forced to “do as I’m told,” and I doubt that this will ever be a problem for me as I don’t intend to sign up for the military or any other organization that can actually force people to follow orders.

              • Corbin@programming.devOP
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                8 months ago

                But you do sometimes get asked to do “unethical” things, and you’re “proud of what [you] do” even though “sometimes … [you] just have to do as [you’re] told.” Why? It sounds like you’ve chosen a compromised position “to get money.”

                • HowManyNimons@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  8 months ago

                  Because we’re all human beings and we all think slightly differently to each other. If I wanted to only work with people who exactly agreed with me about everything, then I would only be able to work alone.

                  I’m not talking about things that are red lines for me, just preferences. If it were something that caused me dissonance I’d move on again, I promise you.

                  I’m lucky enough to have the background and the aptitude to get a new job whenever I want. Most people aren’t that lucky.