• NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Now that is not only too simple thinking, but it is also not true. As far as your weapons are used there, it is for your own imperialistic goals.

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      8 months ago

      So you prefer autocracies over democracies? Am I understanding you correctly?

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          8 months ago

          I think I am understanding you very well. You say democratic imperialism is just as bad as autocratic imperialism, creating a false balance when you agree that autocracies are inherently worse for humanity than democracies. Furthermore, Ukraine was attacked by a far more capable force than their own. They, by the very definition of imperialism, cannot be imperialistic by simply fighting for its own survival against an autocratic and clearly imperialist Russia.

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            8 months ago

            nonono, there’s no democratic imperialism. that’s not aligning with our values that we let Ukrainians die for. please mind the talking points and don’t mention Turkey.

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              8 months ago

              I didn’t bring it up, NeoNachtwaechter did. I simply continued to use the term to point out their hipocrisy.

              However, there certainly is such a thing as democratic imperialism. What else would you call Nixon giving the order to overthrow the newly elected socialist Chilean president Allende in 1970 and then condoning the fascist Pinochet’s coup to power in 1973? Or the USA’s “war on terror” post-9/11 by invading inter alia Iraq and Afghanistan? I could go on.

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            8 months ago

            No, you still don’t.

            You say democratic imperialism is just as bad as autocratic imperialism

            I said nothing like that.

            I said that your imperialism exists and that your weapons are used for it. But I did not judge your imperialism as better or worse or equal.

            you agree that autocracies are inherently worse for humanity than democracies.

            I also did not say that. You are making up lots and lots of things :-/

            I don’t even know whether or not you are living in a democratic country (but I think I can deduct from your texts that you think you do).

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              8 months ago

              Carefully read your replies to my comments. My interpretation of your replies is made in good faith that you want to argue constructively against my position. Simply stating “no” to any of my questions just does not cut it without any evidence to support your opinion. I therefore must assume that you are arguing in favor of Russia, when you pull out whataboutisms and false balances about

              your own [Western] imperialistic goals

              without properly engaging and refuting my realist observations about Russia. You should learn debate discipline or to properly express your opinion to avoid such misinterpretarions, as your very open and underequipped replies leave just as much room to attack your position as Ukraine’s open and underequppied situation before the war sparked Russian aggression.