“just legal consent”… I mean sure, but you know how stupid most people are, right? There is no way to get the type of consent you want from them for any slightly complex topic.
Your point of view makes sense. In my opinion though, when you agree without reading the terms, you’re basically saying “you’re allowed to do whatever you want”
You are consenting, not with this or that, but with anything regarding that product, probably because you trust the company, or you don’t care enough
Say I buy a tomato. Tomato is sold to me as tomato, grown in a green house. It’s a good tomato.
I bring it home and I cut into it to make salsa and find a razor blade. I didn’t see any markings on the outside. I don’t know how it got there.
I go back to the store and say, “Dude, what the fuck is up with the razor blade?!”
They say, “Oh, we noticed a lot of people buying tomatoes to cut them so we decided to include a razor blade! You’re welcome!”
I say, “But I don’t want a razor blade. I just want the tomato!”
They say, “Oh…that’s too bad. We think you’ll really like the razer blade.”
I say, “I don’t care. I want a tomato without razor blades.”
They say, “ok. Just make sure you present this very specific, very distinct bar code to the check out person.”
I go and buy another tomato, present the barcode.
I bring it home and it has a different type of blade inside it.
I go back to the store and they say, “Well, you opted out of blade model a. This is blade model b.”
I consented to buy a tomato. Not to buy a razer blade.
I consented to install Windows OS, not fucking copilot, Cortana, Xbox central, etc.
I should have full control over my OS, regardless of who makes it. Even Ubuntu Linux had some sketchy adware that had to be removed (this was like Ubuntu 18 or something can’t remember).
Most people are too tech illiterate to understand it all. I doubt people would agree to such a level of data collection, if they knew more about it. I believe it can be compared to making illiterate people sign a contract, when they can’t even read it.
Authorized without consent. That is what Louis Rossmann calls a rapist mentality.
I agree with that dude’s takes but he rubs me the wrong way.
Users explicitly and willingly click on “I agree” to the Terms and Conditions. It might be undesirable, but it is consented
Yes and no. While you are legally in the clear, in practice no one read those because of the huge amount of legalese.
True consent is only obtainable if the person consenting understands what it means. Or else it’s just legal consent.
“just legal consent”… I mean sure, but you know how stupid most people are, right? There is no way to get the type of consent you want from them for any slightly complex topic.
Your point of view makes sense. In my opinion though, when you agree without reading the terms, you’re basically saying “you’re allowed to do whatever you want”
You are consenting, not with this or that, but with anything regarding that product, probably because you trust the company, or you don’t care enough
You do give consent. If you didn’t you wouldn’t be using Windows.
Say I buy a tomato. Tomato is sold to me as tomato, grown in a green house. It’s a good tomato.
I bring it home and I cut into it to make salsa and find a razor blade. I didn’t see any markings on the outside. I don’t know how it got there.
I go back to the store and say, “Dude, what the fuck is up with the razor blade?!”
They say, “Oh, we noticed a lot of people buying tomatoes to cut them so we decided to include a razor blade! You’re welcome!”
I say, “But I don’t want a razor blade. I just want the tomato!”
They say, “Oh…that’s too bad. We think you’ll really like the razer blade.”
I say, “I don’t care. I want a tomato without razor blades.”
They say, “ok. Just make sure you present this very specific, very distinct bar code to the check out person.”
I go and buy another tomato, present the barcode.
I bring it home and it has a different type of blade inside it.
I go back to the store and they say, “Well, you opted out of blade model a. This is blade model b.”
I consented to buy a tomato. Not to buy a razer blade.
I consented to install Windows OS, not fucking copilot, Cortana, Xbox central, etc.
I should have full control over my OS, regardless of who makes it. Even Ubuntu Linux had some sketchy adware that had to be removed (this was like Ubuntu 18 or something can’t remember).
True, I didn’t say it wasn’t a problem. I just said legally that’s how it works.
Most people are too tech illiterate to understand it all. I doubt people would agree to such a level of data collection, if they knew more about it. I believe it can be compared to making illiterate people sign a contract, when they can’t even read it.
Well they agreed to it. It isn’t a great reality but its the one we live in.
As if users understood anything related to their computer.