300 million lbs of fireworks and 2.7 billion dollars gone in a cloud of smoke.

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        Objectively, so you have some data to back it up? Do you have the comparative carbon footprint of those shows?

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            No you don’t, that’s for fireworks, now we need the impact of drone shows to answer the problem. Would you have it?

            Edit: I was wrong, it does mention drones.
            Edit2: After proper reading. It only mentions it as an opening hypothesis in its conclusion. It does not quantify the impact of drones, which is what we need to understand if they are actually more eco-friendly.

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              My brother in christ, drones are all over that paper. Have you read an academic paper before? Do you know how to follow sources in papers? Tell you what, you go find some sources of your own and we can compare. Sitting back and saying “nuh uh” ain’t gonna do it. Put up or shut up.

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                Ok, I got time to read it. Drones are only mentioned in one paragraph of the conclusion. Here it is:

                ‘Eco-friendly’ fireworks, which do not use perchlorate and have lower levels of heavy metals, do exist (Fan et al. 2021); the problem lies in their higher cost of manufac- turing (Palaneeswari and Muthulakshmi 2012). The future of ‘firework’ displays may lie in the use of drones or unmanned aerial vehicles. Drones and visible-wavelength lasers for light shows have the benefit of being reusable, have no emissions, and are quiet (Daukantas 2010; Zerlenga et al. 2021). Drones come with their own issues for wildlife, however, usually flying at low altitudes where there are most likely to come into contact with wildlife; a review indicated that many taxa react negatively to the presence of a drone (Rebolo-Ifrán et al. 2019). Even so, drone light shows are less likely to disturb animals, wild or domestic, with noise, nor do they deposit large amounts of pollutants.

                The use of drones is an opening hypothesis, not the subject of the study. Impact of drones is not quantified, it is hypothesized to be lower. The linked papers that I have also checked also don’t quantify the impact but similarly mention it as a potential eco-friendly alternative.

                Would you have a different reading of this article?

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                My mistake, I read the abstract too fast and too late, let me read it and get back to you.

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          Lmao are you being serious or do you lack basic logic, drones are reusable and put off zero emissions, fireworks are not reusable and put off a shit ton of emissions.

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            Zero emission at use, not at fabrication, probably not when recharging and not as electronic waste at the end. Yes, I am being serious, considering only emission during usage is a very limited view of what carbon footprint is. A view that is often used by companies for green washing. Do you also believe electric cars are zero emissions? Considering full life, knowing which one emits more is not trivial.

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              And ignores the typical 20%-40% of energy lost to heat during charging for most batteries.

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              There are emissions in the production of fireworks as well. Drones can be recycled at the end of their life cycle, fireworks cannot be recycled. EVs ARE zero emission just like drones, they offset the emissions put out during their production after around 40k miles and are extremely energy efficient unlike combustible engines. An EV running on a coal fired electric grid puts off less emissions than a prius.

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                Absolutely, fireworks also have emission in their while life cycle, so let’s get the data and compare. EVs are not zero emission and offsetting is not zeroing emission, it’s just compensation, pollution is still being produced and if everyone does that we will not reduce it. In fact EVs sometimes have higher emissions than thermic card at fabrication, but it has been demonstrated that they emit less during their full lifecycle.

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                  so let’s get the data and compare

                  Yes, let’s get the data. You first. You’re really good at telling other people to go get data and sources. Show us how it’s done.

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      Drones wouldn’t scare the shit out of local wildlife and people’s pets at the very least.