• Marxism-Fennekinism@lemmy.ml
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    Third option: they’ve fallen into a pattern recognition fallacy and think it’s a number when it’s a completely different symbol. This happens a lot more often than most realize and even knowing about it, it can be difficult to go against the human instinct to find patterns that may or may not exist and then fit the data to it.

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    Someone, somewhere, will misrepresent this to give credence to the “do your own research” crowd.

    Which is not to discredit the message. They misrepresent everything.

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    See, this meme is annoyed at the ramifications of epistemological relativism.

    I am extremely annoyed by the superfluous commas.

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        Unless the authorial intent is to read it in your head as performed by a William Shatner impersonator they are outright wrong. That predicate has been split so finely it’s outright minced.

        Here’s a fun trick for sentence structure that helps with punctuation: replace clauses with single words and see if the sentence still looks good:

        “Just because you are right, does not mean, I am wrong.”
        “This, means, that. Mr. Spock.”

        Mmmminced.

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          In yet another display of irony, you potentially demonstrated correct use in dialogue to indicate pauses in the speaker’s speech.

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            No, I didn’t. I don’t know who teaches people that commas represent small pauses in speech, but they’re not helping.

            That’s what the ellipsis is for. If you want to correctly do fake Shatner you do

            “This… means… that, Mr. Spock”.

            That’s where the comma should go, by the way. You use it to separate the vocative. I had to use a period in the incorrect sentence above just to avoid the redundancy with the incorrect ones splitting the verb from the subject and the object.

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              English professors.

              The ellipses indicate longer pauses.

              You really need to stop embarrassing yourself, man, and figure out the difference between incorrect usage and usage you don’t like.

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                No, they don’t. The difference between commas and ellipses is not at the length of the pause. Commas don’t necessarily correlate to a pause at all in many cases, and separating the verb from the subject with a comma is straight-up wrong. I hate to link to sources of authority in stuff like this because it’s patronizing as hell, but I promise you can look this up.

                I know somebody told you that’s it’s about conveying speech pauses, and I’m sorry you had to find out in the middle of an Internet argument where you tried to show up a pedant, so now you’re entrenched and will refuse to back down for all eternity, but… yeah, no, that sentence is wrong.

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              As long as the intended reading was conveyed, what’s the problem?

              Using commas as pauses in speech gets the intent across, even if it isn’t the “correct” punctuation. That’s why people keep doing it. People read your examples of Shatnerisms with commas and think its fine, and if enough people think it’s fine then it actually is. Rules aren’t real.

              The OP is garbage, though. It comes across as stuttery and, like you said, minced.

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                I mean, yeah…

                …that’s why when you see it done wrong you call it out. So the wrong way to do it doesn’t become the new normal and you have to spend the rest of your life seeing people write “your an idiot”.

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                  If it’s the new normal then, by definition, it’s not wrong.

                  It’s just whining about aesthetics at that point.

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        No it’s actually worse than superfluous commas, and the author is using them where things like periods ought to be. The author does not actually understand how use sentences properly.

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    I’m a little amused that in the comic both viewers are correct relative to their frame of reference. An extremely powerful concept that significantly advanced physics and about which famous people are household names.

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      I’m a little amused that in the comic both viewers are correct relative to their frame of reference. An extremely powerful concept that significantly advanced physics and about which famous people are household names.

      You accidentally made the wrong point, because Einstein’s breakthrough of special relativity was that the speed of light is constant regardless of reference frame.

      So if two people with different frames of reference are measuring the speed of light differently, at least one of them is objectively wrong.

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        But if they measure the order of events differently, they may both be correct. That is because light is always perceived as being the same speed regardless of the observer.

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          And yet, causality is preserved, and there is a clear specific mathematical relationship between the two frames of reference.

          So you will measure differently, but as soon as you do the math to account for your different frames of reference, you will again have the same measurements. Of course, we know there is an objective mathematical relationship between the two frames of reference, because the speed of light is constant.

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    That grammar is shit as hell, too.

    “Just because you are right

    Does not mean

    I am wrong

    Except my grammar

    Which sucks doodie”

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          What the everloving fuck did I read?

          First of all, I don’t know who you think you are talking to but I am not lying. I 100% know how abuse affects you as I was abused most of my childhood and teenage years. I am not playing any cards, I am reminding you that calling people selfish and lazy when you do not know them based on something like grammar is ignoring multitudes of factors you have no idea of using myself as an example. And this is not a work email. It is informal language used in meme. And by the way, even though I am using a grammar checker on all that I write, it is not perfect. Of course, people also check the language when it is more relevant but the majority of people are not using it for all texts.

          My point is less about bad grammar and correcting it and more about how you are going around correcting it. You also have no business defining what I should and shouldn’t take from your writings when you didn’t spell it out. My point is that requiring perfect grammar when you do not know the person writing from Eve is problematic especially when you call everyone with bad grammar selfish and lazy. Taking the multitudes of factors that can cause people to have bad grammar into account is not a problem. Painting everyone with the same negative brush is.

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            I am telling the truth, too. I myself even have touches of dyslexia myself, and yet here I am not using it as an excuse to make life harder than everyone else.

            So do millions of other people. And so are you, responding with high school/college level spelling, vocabulary and grammar which you are somehow mysteriously capable of doing when you want to win something.

            So clearly, it is possible to expect dyslexic people – like myself and my friends – to be held to the same standards as everyone else.

            You don’t have a right to demand people assume everyone who refuses to watch their spelling and grammar is dyslexic.

            You don’t have a right to demand no one hold anyone else accountable for anything intellectual or to not let us expect people to know, understand, or do anything. That’s not how life works.

            If you are dyslexic, you have to be doubly careful because of it. And it may not seem fair to you, but life isn’t fair, and what you want is an unfair burden on everyone else, including us other dyslexics who do understand that.

            You doing that is insulting to the rest of us who do have various learning disabilities and struggles who have to be associated with lazy, selfish people like yourself who think that you’re entitled to skate because of it. You are not, we want to be treated as equals to everyone else, and here you are fucking it up using our disability to imply we’ll never be as good as everyone else and therefore have to have our hand held and treated as an inferior, and I am telling you no, you will not demand we be mollycoddled because you think no one has a right to hold anyone responsible for anything.

            Disabilities are not excuses and you’re not going to turn them into one. You have to adhere to the same standards as everyone else whether you like it or not.

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    “The building is behind me therefore it’s a six”

    “But the number should be facing away from the building therefore it’s a nine”

    Me, an intellectual: “I want egg”

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    To further this point, there was an incident in early human history where it was debated whether the massive blobs in space where gas giants or galaxy. It went so far, in fact, that a mass of people built a telescope to clearly see the blobs just to prove eachother wrong and find out that both ideas were correct.

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      I’m aware of the irony of correcting you but I can’t help it. Nebulae not gas giants. Gas giants were known to be planets at the time, as they have apparent motion relative to the Stars. Nebulae and galaxies don’t have apparent motion relitive to the stars.