Proposals had been made to change Russia’s nuclear doctrine to allow for attacking any non-nuclear state that had the participation or support of a nuclear state, Putin said.

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      no tools

      Its the same thing with narc parents. They got nothing but the roof over your head so all day they make threats about it. They abuse the tiniest bit of power incessantly to create a dopamine skinner box of a life for themselves

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          Ahh I’m sorry to waste your time, I know about them. I just meant to say “there’s more than one!”

          It’s hard to take joy from anything in this war, but seeing the Kremlin’s ammunition lighting up the sky with a thousand foot fireball, knowing it would save many Ukrainian lives, was incredible. Some of the craters in the satellite photos are very impressive.

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            There were three in three or four days, though the first depot, at Toropets, was the most-significant.

            At least the first involved a substantial number of Ukranian long-range UAVs – I saw “about 100” quoted in coverage of it – and given that this current statement references large UAV or missile strikes and comes shortly after those, I guess that it might indeed be in response to those.

            EDIT:

            https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/09/18/russia-may-have-stockpiled-its-best-missiles-at-an-arsenal-in-the-town-of-toropets-which-is-why-ukraine-just-blew-it-up-with-100-drones/

            That so many of Russia’s best munitions were reportedly concentrated in a single location explains why Ukraine devoted such a large force to the attack. RBC-Ukraine claimed more than 100 drones were involved—potentially making the Toropets raid the biggest Ukrainian strike on a target inside Russia since Russia widened its war on Ukraine 30 months ago.

            and here:

            “The conditions for Russia’s transition to the use of nuclear weapons are also clearly fixed,” Putin said, adding that Moscow would consider such a move if it detected the start of a massive launch of missiles, aircraft, or drones against it.

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              I hope the speculation about them hitting missiles is right. Much harder to replace them than artillery shells or small arms ammunition.

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    Ukraine is not attacking Russia. It’s a counter attack.

    Stopping those is easy with this 1 simple trick

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    I mean, the lesson here is to give Ukraine back the nukes we traded them in exchange for guarantees of territorial integrity in the Budapest memorandum.

    We failed, we did not protect your territory, we admit we failed.

    So have some nukes with irbms and TERs as a consolation prize.

    Damn putin, you sure outsmarted us…

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    None of their nukes will ever get off the launching pad before exploding harmlessly. These empty threats ring hollow, as always.

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      They just had a catastrophic failure when they tried to rattle their saber recently. They can’t even launch a single ICBM for intimidation.

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        That was testing a new missile, so not exactly the same thing. It still doesn’t inspire confidence, and the maintenance levels of the rest of their military doesn’t inspire confidence in the readiness of their existing nuclear arsenal.

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    Putin issues a nuclear warning #5285 to the West over Ukraine

    FTFY

    Also: why won’t you just let me play land grab and genocide? Why won’t you just let me fuck people over? Why won’t you just let me be a genocidal maniac when I want to? You’re all a bunch of party poopers!

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    I suppose “any non-nuclear state” here is intended to be read as “Ukraine”.

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    Mutually assured destruction was supposed to be a deterrent to anyone using nukes. Not to enable an aggressor force to do what they want without repercussions out of fear that they would use nukes. If they use nukes, at a minimum they’ll no longer exist. Probably along with the rest of us.

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      MAD exists between two nuclear armies. If you nuke us we’ll nuke you back. Ukraine gave up it’s nukes (from the Soviet era). No country will ever make that mistake again.

      It’s still a deterrent, just not here.