Yep, learned it recently from a list of things that are, surprisingly, named after real people. Deb and Ian eventually got married but are now divorced.

It’s so out of date that Deb and Ian are no longer together

(…this is actually true, not just a joke)

But how does the alternative solutions compare with regards to maintainability?

Which alternative solutions are you thinking of, and have you tried them?

Rust has been mentioned several times in the thread already, but Go also prohibits “standard” OOP in the sense that structs don’t have inheritance. So have you used either Rust or Go on a large project?

🤷 That wasn’t my experience, and I used it as my primary dev environment for four years.

It doesn’t go through a translation layer, though. WSL 2 has a whole separate kernel. You can even use GUI apps with Wayland.

For what it’s worth, WSL 2 with VSCode is actually great. Almost all the benefits of Linux (I still miss true tiling window management), with fewer weird driver issues.

That said, I generally just use whatever my company wants me to use, and I haven’t worked somewhere that let us use native Linux boxes since 2014.

Modev says they’ve been using C for 25 years, and used Rust for several years as well! Their whole schtick baffles me.

I also hope that some of the people reading this realize that OP is also the person posting all of the “stop trying to suppress C” posts.

Every technology that gets used frequently enough facilitates maladaptation to its faults. 😑

I’m no expert, but isn’t running in a VM strictly better than running on raw metal from a security perspective? It’s generally more locked down, and breaking out of the virtualization layer requires a separate security breach from gaining access to the running container.

Rust feels like entirely the wrong target for that sort of criticism, especially regarding “energy and resource intensity”. Rust is well-known to be comparable to C in its efficiency.

I haven’t told you to keep calm. I’m just confused about you repeating the same points, in the same words, over and over, even after being told that you don’t have your facts correct.

I’m not saying you can’t learn or talk about other languages; I’m confused by the mismatch between your posts criticizing people for promoting newer tech stacks and the ones where you seem to be promoting newer tech stacks yourself.

25 years of experience is certainly enough to have strong opinions, but until your last comment I had the impression that you had a year or less of experience in C, hence my question.

• Why do you keep posting the same rant about “going back to the roots”, especially after multiple people have pointed out that C is not “the roots” of programming?
• Why do you have such strong opinions about a language that you’re still learning?
• If you’re that passionate about C and believe that people should use it instead of newer languages, why do you care about Nim or Nelua?

If you’re thinking of this post, it’s by the same author: https://snac.bsd.cafe/modev/p/1727478537.713206

That’s not a confession, it’s a condemnation. It’s not your fault that universities generally don’t teach this stuff. (I think I had one lab session wherein we used valgrind.)

Why don’t you answer any of my questions instead of telling me to join your club?

Wat

Hopefully you only chmod’d your own systems. Early in my career, I worked on a project wherein we gave a contracting company root access to a computer they could use to test the software they were writing for us. One morning, they sent us a message saying they couldn’t log in. We looked at the computer and discovered it wouldn’t boot. Turned out someone on the remote team had chmod 777’d the entire filesystem. Of course we locked down their access after that.

The education system (universities, colleges, courses) uses the “modern” development stack.

Hahahahahaha!

Only a very few colleges and courses specializing in a very narrow field, such as embedded devices, can teach you the C language.

snort BWAHAHAHAHA!

the “dying C”

[wheezing]

And by doing this they are trying to hide the C language.

[incredulous snort]

And the community is kind

[wistful sigh] I truly wonder what it would be like not to know anything about Linus Torvalds. I sometimes wish I didn’t know about Richard Stallman!

And that it is unlikely that C will be able to replace anything in the near future.

I’m sure you wrote this backwards.

Why do you keep posting this exact same rant? I see that some posts are in different Lemmy communities and you’ve posted it at least once on hacker news, but you also posted it to this same community already (https://snac.bsd.cafe/modev/p/1727338529.193499) and, although I can’t find it now, I remember you posting it months ago, too.

Several of your posts that aren’t about how C is being “suppressed” (which the responses to your post have repeatedly demonstrated isn’t true) are about how you, personally, are still learning C and want more resources to learn it. And now you’re also posting about Nelua and Nim. This is wild to me! Why do you have such strong opinions about a language that you’re still learning? If you’re that passionate about C and believe that people should use it instead of newer languages, why do you care about Nim or Nelua? If you’re just trolling, why do you engage relatively patiently in the comments? And whatever your goal is, why do you keep reposting the same rants, especially this one that’s now quite old?

On the one hand, you’re right, C is waaaay higher-level than many people realize, and the compiler and processor do wild things to make code go faster. On the other hand, the C abstract machine is close enough to how computers “really work” to give you a fairly useful mental model, in a way that no other mainstream high-level language can.

Even so, if you want to know how low-level code works, you should probably just learn one or more actual assembly languages and write a few small programs that way.

C has another advantage, though: firmware, OS kernels, and virtual machines (other than browser JS engines) are still almost entirely written in C. So while it doesn’t teach you accurately how processors work, it is relevant if you want to know about the system software that meditates between the hardware and high-level software.