And I am sorry you dont understand needless wars. Just dont include me or my family in your stupid wars dude.

I am sorry I didnt pretend anecdotes were foreign policy.

You talked to putin and NATO?

Oh yeah totally means nothing when they will literally go to war over the thing that means nothing. The issue is that nothing I can say will get across to you because you have believed the propaganda.

In early 2021, the Russian military began massing on Ukraine’s borders. At the June 2021 Brussels summit, NATO leaders reiterated the statement made at the 2008 Bucharest summit that Ukraine would eventually join NATO.[10] In late 2021, there was another massive Russian military buildup around Ukraine. Russia’s Foreign Ministry demanded that Ukraine be forbidden from ever joining NATO.[11] NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg replied that the decision is up to Ukraine and NATO members, adding “Russia has no right to establish a sphere of influence to try to control their neighbors”.

From the 2008 Bucharest summit

Georgia and Ukraine had hoped to join the NATO Membership Action Plan,[3] but, while welcoming the two countries’ aspirations for membership and agreeing that “these countries will become members of NATO”, the NATO members decided to review their request in December 2008.

This meeting was held in April and Russia invaded Georgia in August. So yes, Ukraine was wanting to join nato for years.

Why would NATO want to even consider having Ukraine join if it was the brightest of red lines, and very likely would end in war?

NATO didnt force them to invade but it highly encouraged it. Russia said that Ukraine was the bightest of red lines and we saw what happpened to georgia when they were trying to join nato. There is no good reason to have Ukraine in NATO it brings much much more trouble than its worth, but NATO did it anyways knowing that it was considered an existential danger by russia.

And when the war goes global or nuclear and the US sends troops overseas for you dumb war, are you going or are you going to try to force my kids to die for you instead?

You are claiming that they can do what they want, but that is backed by boots on the ground. Is that going to be you, or are you going to force my children to fight your wars?

So wishing/advocating someone murdered is a “slight”?

I thought we were going with “freedom of speech not freedom from consequences”?

So are you going to be the one sent overseas to die in a country that most people dont care anything about?

Sigh, dude this not any better, you need to do some studying so you can get your insults better. You might want to stick with something simple like “Cope!”

Dude, no one cares about your lame insults. At least up your insult game if you are going do be a douche.

Sorry man I am not reading all of that. Just know that whatever propaganda you have been fed is so that you respond just like you are responding. Ukraine is going to lose, and we have wasted tens of thousands of lives and billions of dollars for no gain, and a bunch of other things I could tell you about but you wouldnt understand.

If you dont think Ukraine is about to lose then you dont know anything that is going on. Its only in doubt if you only ever listen to propaganda and believe it. Lots of dead people but hey russia got hurt a little!

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Uh… Ukraine is going to lose, its not in question, but you are the one that wants more people to die to harm a country that shouldnt matter to the US. Life is not a movie, sometimes the guy you like loses.

I am not justifying anything I am just explaining your ideology. Let me do it for you one more time. Path 1 - negotiate peace long ago, and Ukraine loses. Path 2 - give Ukraine weapons so they can harm russia a little bit at the cost of tens of thousands of Ukrainians, and Ukraine loses with more territory lost.

You have chosen path 2.

So long story short, you are okay if a hundred thousand extra Ukrainians die if russia is harmed a bit? That is literally what you are saying, the war could have been over a long long time ago but the west offered weapons and money for them to keep conscripting people to fight a war.

But they knew from day 1 that Ukraine couldnt win. And now that its obvious to everyone else, what is gained by escallating war, spending billions of dollars and killing hundreds of thousands of people?