Not ascribing the worst motivations to something is quite different than “seeing their point.”

I did address your second point. I said it was irrelevant.

I hope if someone starts saying something awful about you with no basis there aren’t people who thoughtlessly “see their point” for no reason.

A lot of people have a lot of stupid/bigoted opinions. Do you see all of their points too?

Your opinions of other shows are irrelevant to weather or not they have a valid point about this show.

That’s enough? Someone says something, anything, and you see their point?

This is not semantic at all. I’m asking for one example from Star Trek that allows you to “see the point” of someone that says it’s “woke,” “pushy,” “preachy,” or anything else along those lines.

If you’re unable to give an example you’ll have to forgive people for assuming the reason is the mere existence of the characters that makes them feel that way and that allows you to “see their point.”

To see their point you don’t need to agree with it but you do need to think there is some basis for it.

What is the basis for their point that allows you to see it?

To see their point, you would have to think there is at least something to it.

Their, and your, inability to support that point makes it nonsensical to me.

Why do you see their point? What is at least one example of “woke(nees)” or “push(iness)” that makes your see their point? Or do you just agree with them on a visceral level that requires no explanations?

If you see his point you should be able to give one example of “preaching” other than the characters existence.

Since these characters were introduced people have said what you’re saying over and over. Always with the same “I don’t have a problem with gay/trans/NB but…” disclaimer. Then they refuse to give examples of the characters doing anything other than existing. This thread is a good example. Please refresh my memory. Which episode(s) focus “on the social issues that surround homosexuality.”

Outside of the scene where Adira tells Stamets their pronouns and the use of those pronouns, give me one line, in one scene, in one episode, of one season that would have to be changed if Adira was a cis straight human woman hosting the symbiote of her deceased cis straight Trill boyfriend.

Give me one line, in one scene, in one episode, of one season that would have to be changed if either Stamets or Culber was a woman.

To be clear, although I don’t remember any, I’m not saying you couldn’t find any examples. I’m just curious what constitutes “forced and obvious” plot elements that are “advertisement(s) for ideologies” that “ruins the show” for you.

Without examples all anyone hears is you bitching about the existence of these characters the way Archie Bunker would have bitched about Uhura simply existing.

Am I missing something, or is it not possible to criticize the media’s obsession with attractive white girls without calling a person in a hospital after being beaten and probably gang raped stupid for no reason? You fucking piece of shit. See how I had a reason there?

There is almost no gold in it. 18k gold is 75% gold by weight, not volume. Apple created an alloy that, in addition to the normal metals, is mostly lightweight ceramic.

At the time I was surprised there wasn’t a class action suit. They were charging an amount that was in line with real gold watches and yeah the “gold” part was 75% gold by weight but it was such a departure from anything else ever called 18k gold it just seemed like a straight up scam to me.

For me personally, my wife and I are probably going to stay in this house until it’s time for the old folks home so it’s just numbers that’ll never actually mean anything. If it crashes by half or more I’ll actually get a reduction to my property tax.

Let it crash, this is unsustainable. Having a secure, long-term roof over your head shouldn’t be so fucking hard.

No it’s not. It’s very easy. I used to do it all the time, when necessary. It’s just not for me anymore because it’s no longer necessary.

Nonsense. I decide what I want to watch, I search for it, 99% of the time it’s available on something I have.

Apples and oranges. The person that has all the streaming services, like me, would want all the premium channels. HBO, Cinemax, showtime, the movie channel are all 10 each. So now you’re at $133 and that is before all the add-on charges, taxes, and any other packages.

I don’t know what the pricing is now, but I moved around a bit in college and after and in the late 90s and early aughts I had service from the each of big 3 and DirecTV at one point or another and paid 90-120 not inflation adjusted and that is just TV, this is pre-broadband.

You’re also not taking into account streaming discounts.

With tmobile the highest tier of Netflix is $7.

Annually and with a $25 statement credit from Amex HBO is $125/year, $10.42/month. (Legacy ad free so 4k)

Amazon I don’t count, I have prime for shipping, TV is a bonus, even if you don’t buy that putting the entire amount to video streaming is pretty disingenuous with everything else you get. Maybe call it $5/month.

My Disney trio gets me a $7/month AMEX statement credit so $18.

Paramount+with showtime is $120/year so $10/month. I also get a statement credit from AMEX for that but I can’t be bothered to look it up.

Starz is $70/year so $5.83/month. And it’s another one with an Amex statement credit I can’t be bothered to look up.

Additionally, all my streaming services get a 6% cash back from Amex on top of the statement credits.

So the ones you listed (I have more, I just did the ones you mentioned, Apple TV+ is free with tmobile for example) would be $65.52-the statement credits I can’t be bothered to look up.(6% off doesn’t apply to Netflix because it’s paid through T-Mobile)

So about 50% cheaper with all the benefits of streaming over appointment commercial TV. (Although, to be faaaaaiir, once you add in my others, peacock, britbox, crunchyroll, Viki, maybe something I’m forgetting, it’s back to the ~1/3 I mentioned before.)(But to be fair the other way, a lot of that stuff isn’t available on cable/satellite at any price period.)

Those arguments are exactly what I’m disputing. The prices are lower and value proposition is higher.

It seems like prices are going up because services are coming out a bit at a time and each of them are taking a little while to mature. Cheap initial offerings followed by price increases when they get their shit together.

Imagine if you could go back 15-20 years and flip a switch and have all the streaming services as they exist today all at once. You could tell those same struggling Americans “I can reduce your tv bill 40-60%, increase available content, and you can access that content anytime and anywhere you want commercial free, also unlike cable/satellite you can pick and choose or rotate services to save even more and if your cool with some (still less than cable) ads you can save even more.”

Streaming is a massive value increase over cable/satellite, and a major price cut with options to tailor the price and content to work best for you.

I just subscribe to everything. Even a few niche services like britbox.

After taking into account credit card kickbacks, discounts from T-Mobile, and discounts from annual plans, I pay about 1/3 less than I did for cable with all the movie stations and DVR service back in the early aughts. And I’m even counting adding basic cable to my Internet (I use an app to stream that so no extra box). And I’m not even accounting for 20 years of inflation, with that it’s about a 60% reduction.

So I pay 60% less after inflation for almost every movie and TV show ever made commercial free on demand on any device I own anywhere in the world (some programming changes apply) and live news and sports with the cable app (I don’t think I’ve tried the cable app overseas though).

It used to be appointment TV with non-premium stations having 30-35% commercial time. Even when TiVo came out you had to buy it and pay a sub, and when cable started offering DVR you paid for a more expensive box rental on top of paying monthly for the ability to DVR, double-dipping fuckers.

I really don’t understand complaints about streaming. Compared to what it’s replacing it’s an amazing upgrade in price, quality, and convenience. When do you ever get that? How hard is it to figure out what service something is on? Most boxes have a universial search and if your using a mobile device Google is right there. Yeah prices get higher on occasion, but inflation is a thing and now that content producers see the profit in streaming they’re putting money into new content, which makes me think of another thing: content produced for streaming is vastly superior, even on streaming services from the old major networks. Stuff that wouldn’t have gotten by the advertisers, let alone the censors for commercial broadcast, and no editing for time. A particular episode needs an extra couple/several minutes to be told correctly, no big deal.

As someone who loves the silver screen, and the small screen, for art and entertainment that can’t be called art with a straight face, I love streaming. I can’t understand how anyone who paid for cable/satellite in the past couldn’t.

Sorry for the ramble, can’t be bothered to edit for clarity or readability.