There are literally the same sects represented in the delegations, lmao, the groups were religiously diverse.

Do you even know what sects of Islam they follow? Quick, name them.

Oh wait, youre just making stuff up as you go along. There are uyghurs in both major sects and the delegation included both major sects of Islam.

Okay, thank you for demonstrating that you unironically believe muslim countries are more bigoted against Muslims than a country which has routinely committed genocide against muslim populations over the last half century and is current involved in supporting one as we speak.

Oh my god, the police files that included ai generated mugshots, published by Adrian Zenz, a literal German fascist who says God has given him a mission to destroy China?

Also just take a look at historical basis, genocide has happened many times throughout history. Do you assume genocide has never “worked” and only creates more resistance?

Genocide creates more violent resistance when it is escalating, even if it eventually wipes out most of a population. Can you name an example of a time when this doesn’t hold true?

The same applies to you? Why do you have faith in chinese affiliated media, who has a vested interest in usurping US footholds and making deals with chinese markets?

Why do you think I primarily rely on Chinese media? I primarily rely on looking at US media through a critical lense oriented around Marxism and anti-colonial theory. I also talk to Chinese exchange students about their experiences in China.

Dont act like china doesnt have a history of repression like every other major world power. China isnt special, or new.

I’m not arguing that, but that is not an equivalent claim to the claim you are making. You are making much worse claims.

They arent your friend, theyre the next US.

Nah this is just enlightened centrism. China is of course a state and states do repression but they are significantly less economically exploitative than the US. They are also exceeding their climate goals while the US lags behind.

They dont care that some historians say it doesnt work, the same argument applies to the japanese concentration camps in the US during WW2.

They aren’t doing concentration camps though, because if they were, we would see violent resistance increasing. This has always historically been the case. You must learn from history or you’ll believe anything.

Its embarassing to watch you, in the same paragraph, try and mock trusting 1 faceless monoliths propaganda while unquestionably parroting anothers.

I’m not parroting their propaganda. Their propaganda paints a much rosier picture about it. Things are not great but the way they have dealt with extremism has respected their culture, even though there are cases of nonsystemic abuse and their methods toe the line on what we would consider acceptable standards of evidence. (Although detaining someone in school is different than detaining someone in a labor camp like the US does to its prisoners, and the standard of evidence that the US uses also often falls behind our acceptable standard of evidence)

Did you actually read the report? They literally cite CIA front groups like VoCMF.

Also, just look at it from a historical basis. Has any anti-terrorism program that revolved around repression ever worked, and not just created more terrorism? Does China have a reality altering device that lets them do repression without creating more terrorism, or have you been lied to, given that terrorism has precipitously declined as China has invested in their counterterrorism program primarily based around improving the material conditions in the region?

You think Muslim majority countries care less about the right to practice Islam than the US, which routinely spies on mosques in the US and has killed millions of Muslim civilians in recent history? Who are supportive of the client state of Israel committing genocide against Palestinians as we speak? Which media depicts Muslims as brown savages? Who’s soldiers commonly refer to Muslims as Sand N-words?

Are you being literal or is their another meaning you are trying to imply?

Youre being played, and letting people die because of it.

Even the worse claims say that the “repression” is over, and have never included mass murder, so I dont know what you’re on about.

I guess I should ask, why do you have faith in US affiliated media reporting on this, considering that the US has a vested interest in destabilizing China, and obviously cares very little for the lives of Muslims?

Also, just look at it from a historical basis. Has any anti-terrorism program that revolved around repression ever worked, and not just created more terrorism? Does China have a reality altering device that lets them do repression without creating more terrorism, or have you been lied to, given that terrorism has precipitously declined as China has invested in their counterterrorism program primarily based around improving the material conditions in the region?

Those countries also have economic and otherwise incentive to agree with the world hegemon, the US.

The anglophone corporate media that is pushing out the atrocity propaganda (well, was, China reopening put a real damper on their stories) also has financial incentive to produce propaganda about the main rival of the US.

These countries probably care more about the religious freedom of Muslims then the US though, which loves killing Muslims and has killed millions of muslim civilians in recent history in their own “war on terror”

Also literally 30 countries sent delegations

https://muslimmirror.com/eng/islamic-delegation-visiting-chinas-xinjiang-region-says-all-is-well-here/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220810-diplomats-from-30-muslim-countries-visited-chinas-xinjiang-region/amp/

Literally a bunch of muslim delegations from governments that don’t like each other all went to investigate and found all was well.

I am guessing you did not actually trying asking them, I am guessing you read some atrocity propaganda from a corporate newspaper whos owner is terrified of the implications of socialist China.

It’s an authoritarian state led by a dictator.

I dont know how you could say that out of any place but ignorance? If they are a dictatorship, they are putting on a massive act of civic democratic engagement, and if they were, there would be leaks because you can not keep something like that secret when the scale is a country of 1.4 billion people.

They have a different style of democracy which prioritizes a different set of rights over western bourgeois democracy.

I would encourage you to try to talk to Chinese people about their government without putting assumptions into your questions or asking leading questions. Actual Chinese people, who live in China. Thanks to the internet this is very easily done.

I would also encourage you to research how Chinese theorists have looked at making stronger democratic mechanisms, and to generally learn the differences between proletarian and bourgeois democracy.

95 percent of Chinese people are satisfied with their government https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

Please read this article from a mainstream Jewish holocaust historian, equating the USSR with nazis is problematic.

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

Hey, just cause I disagree with their analysis doesn’t mean I haven’t read it.

For example, forming a secret vanguard party isn’t the way to anarchism, and the Kronstadt rebellion wasn’t the pinnacle of revolution, even though the Soviets fucked up their response to it.

And you would know what I’m referring to if you’ve read some of their main works.

But hey… bring it on.

It is a self dunk to get combative when someone asks you what books you’ve read on a subject you’re opining about

Okay so how much did you actually study the Spanish civil war because this comes off as really ignorant? Like, what books have you read on the subject that have led you to the conclusion that Stalin was controlling all of the Spanish Republicans except for the anarchists? You seem to deify Stalin much more than me, who generally considers him a very flawed leader who was a better revolutionary, but doesn’t consider him some octopus with his tentacles in literally everything.

Yes, the Spanish anarchists were unsuccessful because Stalin, and not because they refused to be integrated with the popular front(which even the fucking liberals joined), including militarily until the war was already well lost, which made coordinated actions against the fascists with the popular front impossible

The lessons of the Spanish civil war dont reflect well on the anarchist movement there.

They absolutely did, their inability to coordinate and make compromises during wartime absolutely led to their failures as revolutions.

so even though it’s fallen into fascist oligarchy,

You know any left wing project after being overthrown by the US would also end up a fascist oligarchy right? As was the case with the illegal and undemocratic dissolution of the Soviet Union brought about by the US.

Even the most fascist redfash

A mainstream Jewish holocaust scholar on equating fascism and communism and why it is bad

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

I hate it when threads like this make me have to repeatedly post the mainstream Jewish holocaust historian “stop conflating fascism and communism” article

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory