Sandra

It’s awesome!

Now that the concept has caught on so widely, I’ve often wished @pluralistic@mamot.fr had gone with a less scatological term. But maybe that is part of the reason it caught on 🤷🏻‍♀️

@technology@lemmy.world

That’s rich when the Google Play store is full of malware while F-Droid is full of gems.

@technology

Correct, and that’s exactly why it does not work for group things.

If fedi is like email, and it is similar in many ways, a Lemmy community is like a mailing list. People can send to the list and the threads on the list from different servers. And there can be separate communities about the same topics just as there can be separate mailing lists about the same topics.

But hashtags in email wouldn’t work as a replacement for mailing lists. Hashtags in email can still have some use, within a mailing list or in a specific conversation, but it’s something very different from a mailing list.

On kbin, if people think that “Oh, here is where the posts about cycling will show up” but the magazine is just based around a hashtag, there’s no way for people to participate deliberately. It’s misleading.

Using hashtags as if it were tumblr or twitter is anti-decentralization and drives people into using the biggest instances only. Groups a la gup.pe and Lemmy and Friendica is a solution to that. It’s only a partially decentralized solution, since each group itself is centrally hosted (exactly like mailing lists were), but it’s at least a solution, whereas misusing hashtags that way isn’t.

@ada @meteorswarm

Yes, it works poorly everywhere on the fediverse, is exactly what I’m saying.

Hashtags on Fedi can be good for organizing stuff within a single account or instance, or it can be used for other things like trigger specific bots, but they can not (as you know) work like an IRC channel like they did on Twitter.

That’s why I’m not happy about kbin elevating that misfeature and legitimizing its misuse as if it were as robust as the other federated group protocols are. It’s not the end of the world or the worst feature on the planet, I’m not that worked up about it, it’s just not good, is all.

(Again, not blaming you for that ofc, you only reported on it, and that was awesome, thanks.)

@ada @meteorswarm

Yes, keyword search works poorly on fedi is what I’m saying 💁🏻‍♀️
Using that as a basis for group talk can end up being super unreliable in some situations.

@ada @meteorswarm

(Not shooting the messenger, just as info for other readers.)
Using hashtags for this seems like an idea with some severe limitations because it can only see the posts it has happened to come across otherwise. (Unlike the other group formats.)

@ada @meteorswarm

These bookburnings are a Nazi project. The guy who started them is a Nazi leader who wants Sweden and Denmark to be ethnically cleansed. And sickeningly, the entire Swedish justice system from cops through judges to politicians backed him up (and now that there are repercussions they have cold feet).

People who are like “lol muslims can’t handle a li’l free speech? It’s only paper” have been deceived. They’ve fallen right into the trap as designed by the fachos. The classic tactic: do something that the target group understands as a hate-fueled threat but that onlookers misperceive as not that big of a deal.

Free speech is vital to an open and just society. The exceptions need to be few and clearly defined. (Counterfeits and frauds being a pretty commonly understood one.) I hold that inciting hatred against the outgroup should be such an exception.

Karl Popper put it perfectly:

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.