If they hold on to their existing vehicle than thats just another upside. If they buy a new gasoline car instead of an EV this is bad. But EVs dont have to be insanely heavy if we stop the whole cars getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger crap. They will still be heavier than their gasoline counterpart but one solution might be 2 tax brackets: One for gasoline cars and one for evs that has the same taxation levels but allows for, lets say, 500kg more weight in them

And I never argued against that. I just gave you one reason as to why their phones are more expensive. Of course used is greener than new.

It’s not inherently more ethical though. While it could be argued that more green means more ethical because you are trying to harm the planet as little as possible if you buy a phone that’s been produced with exploitation and child labor in its production line you still end up supporting it when buying used because you are part of the second hand market that supports people buying those phones. People will take into consideration if they can ever sell their stuff again when buying something. Those things would have to be weighed against each other if you want to make the statement that used phones are also automatically more ethical.

Buying a used phone that didn’t have those things in its production line and actively tries to avoid it would technically be the best choice. But ultimately it’s something the consumer shouldnt need to choose anyway. Regulations shouldnt allow for that to happen on the first place.

My initial answer to your comment made it pretty clear that I was explaining to you one reason as to why these phones are more expensive than other ones. That was it. If you’re this far without noticing what the discussion was about maybe it’s you that isn’t reading very well

I have never said you should buy a new or even a Fairphone to begin with. You’re trying to deflect from the actual discussion and make it look like I said certain stuff I never even said

No you didn’t list any facts that justifies your point. I already told you why what you said isn’t what you think it is. “Every time”. Dude I’ve just told you ONCE after you came back at me that you can’t compare massive cooperations against a small company. I don’t even own a Fairphone and have never owned one. I keep my phone as long as possible. I’m literally not the type of consumer you think I am. But sure just because I listed literal facts you can’t seem to accept, I’m a fanboy of a brand I’ve never bought from and just pointed out some facts. Whatever makes you feel better I guess

Eh nope. Just stating facts that’s all

Yes they are obviously not perfect but they are at least trying to change something, while the massive cooperations just dont acknowledge that problem at all.

And the updates thing: Apple controls the ecosystem and are a huge company. They dont have to worry about manufactures for a processor or other parts not supporting it longer and stop giving it driver updates. Same with Samsung and especially Google. They are huge companies that can basically do what they want. They will be able to get a hold of drivers and firmware because they are a huge customer to the manufactures. And they only just started promising those long updates. Meanwhile Fairphone has been trying for years to support their devices that long and had to struggle because they are not a massive cooperation that can influence manufactures like that to the point they now dont use normal consumer grade chips but ones with extended support.

Other phones can be much cheaper because they don’t care about slavery or child labor in their production line and don’t support their phones that long

Just saw a video and certain instruments/displays on trains (original ICE 3 for example) run with Windows 3.11, so thats probably why they are searching for one

Yeah in a perfect world, Germany would have kept their npp and phased out coal first instead but it’s not a perfect world sadly and considering the npp operators were heavily campaigning against renewables Germany probably wouldn’t have invested that much in renewables if npp weren’t phased out. The only problem now is that Germany didn’t keep their momentum for investing in and expending renewables

You seem to be the type of person that doesn’t understand that you just can’t easily decide from one day to another to keep nuclear power plants online, that where decided to go offline soon over 10 years ago. Supply chains already adapted, technically necessary inspections weren’t performed because it would soon shut down etc. You just cant easily revert a plan to turn off all nuclear power plans by a certain date from 10 years ago just days or weeks before that date.