Well I’m holding you in contempt in court for making a joke that I didn’t agree with. I hope you’re ready to pay a huge fine, because this is an open and shut case.

It isn’t JUST speech that radicalizes people. There are a plethora of underlying material conditions that contribute as well, but nobody here is talking about any of those. We can’t just prevent people from saying bad things, we have to address things like education, poverty, inequality, housing, and journalistic integrity before we can just punish insulting sentiments.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6414414/

https://www.start.umd.edu/publication/radicalization-violence-pathway-approach-studying-extremism

That’s fundamentally not the same thing, don’t be obtuse for the sake of debate points.

Insults and general demeaning comments should not be punished in the court of law. Saying offensive things should not be punished in the court of law.

As I said before, the action/intent is the part that should be punished. Providing private information about someone who you disagree with or want to incur harm upon is an action with malicious intent.

As a leftist, I fail to understand why we always jump to tone policing and purity politics? We can identify the material conditions that cause radicalization and general bigotry and act upon these things, but we always just jump to punishing people for being radical bigots, which only further galvanizes those positions.

We’re not making these spaces smaller, we’re making them more volatile by doing this. They see these conversations and think “this is why we have to remove leftism, because they will punish us for crimes we have yet to do” and that’s precisely what this argument is.

So you get a bunch of radicalized people that say shit but don’t do anything about it?

In order for that group of radicalized people to be dangerous, they would have to do something right? Maybe that means March around in Nazi regalia, maybe that means some sort of assault or altercation. But it’s at that point that those people should be charged, not when they are online saying dumb shit.

If they’re just saying that, I certainly don’t want to be around them but I don’t think they should go to prison. If they act upon that, that’s entirely different and should be treated as a hate crime.

Also, you just said it. Does context matter to you? What about intention?

Nah man, Elon husk will eventually colonize some other dog shit planet, and then we’ll just be looking at the plot of Hyperion in 1000 years or so.

I ain’t never cut an onion I didn’t love and that’s the gods honest truth

As much as I dislike people spitting hatred at women, LGBTQIA+ folks, and POCs, this is still freedom of speech. You don’t have to enjoy it, you don’t have to listen to it, and you’re certainly free to remove these people from your personally owned spaces. But it doesn’t change the fact that people should be allowed to say whatever the fuck they want, otherwise we literally are punishing people for thought crimes and edgy jokes.

People should be judged for their actions, not their words. Words don’t actually mean anything without action behind them.

I’m a gay man, and I’ve definitely given out the occasional f slur pass. Why? Because I honestly think it’s funny as fuck when my best friend of 20 years calls me that. He doesn’t hate me, he knows and loves my partner like a sibling, and he is my brother. It would be so fucked if he got in some kind of actual trouble for that…

Bought a 9 dollar cast iron from Walmart for a camping trip and I love it. I’m hoping it outlives me and it should with proper care. It’s already been 4 years