A cable subscription isn’t a depreciating asset, though.
A cable subscription isn’t a depreciating asset, though.
I’m not even going to wait for you to come up with a new angle to come at me with.
I award you the Useful Idiot Ribbon.
Sorry, I wasn’t aware that animal abuse is on the same level of inanity as throwing soup at a painting. You’re being insanely disingenuous.
My argument is not “if a protest is uncomfortable, then it is effective”.
It is “how can you in the same comment say ‘this is a stupid way to go about risking jail for a noble cause’ and ‘there never has nor will there ever be such a thing as “the right way to protest”’?”.
This exactly. Protests happen more often than people think. It’s just easy to bury it.
Morally, perhaps not. But legally yes, justified crimes are still crimes.
Mmmm, yes, we are
I hear that, really I do. But here’s the thing - if you don’t have faith in humanity then we’re all screwed anyway. And nihilism is not the answer. Never is.
And why is that? At least partially because a) like it or not, oil barons have a lot of influence and b) people are whinging about it, which makes judges think that they’re doing the will of the people.
Perhaps you are. I would assume you’re already probably at least somewhat on board with environmental causes.
How do you think a person who lives in the middle of nowhere, doesn’t have much of an education or anything, would react if they saw someone doing this? Probably that they must care a lot to get arrested for doing something intentionally. What makes it worth it? What are they about? Oh, something called Just Stop Oil… oh, an environmental group. Something called climate change? If it’s actually happening, I guess we should be doing something about that.
Uh… do you know what their punishment is for this? They usually get carted to the local jail, held for between a few hours and a few days, then released once the media have gone away. The offense is so minor that the punishment is the equivalent of getting lost in a corn maze. Usually, the JSO people are older people who don’t have much going on and so it’s literally no skin off their back if they have to sit in the local jail for a few days. (Also, UK jails are much more humane than US jails, so they don’t really suffer)
See, I don’t think you do. I’m not trying to No True Scotsman you, but if you agree that protests inherently have to upset people a little bit, you can’t then turn around and say “but don’t upset us like this!”. You don’t get to pick and choose what protests are morally correct or even worth it - that’s the protestor’s job, not yours!
Yesterday you were not talking about climate change. Today you are. Because someone threw soup at a painting and sat down, waiting to be arrested. Had they not done so, you likely would not be talking about climate change.
You’re really close to getting it. Just a few more steps.
You are either extremely deluded or a little deluded and almost intentionally misunderstanding their aims.
Climate activists have been chaining themselves to oil infrastructure for decades. How many times can you honestly say you’ve heard of it? I’ve heard of maybe one instance, and it got very little news coverage.
JSO has recently pivoted to this strategy of (temporarily) vandalizing monuments and works of art. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME it happens, it’s all over the news and spawns endless discussion. Almost like IT’S FUCKING WORKING.
I award to you the Useful Idiot Ribbon.
Congratulations, I award to you the Useful Idiot Ribbon. Wear it proudly as your world burns.
So… you’d be okay with this action if she were the one throwing the soup? I’m super lost.
Slapping a CEO in the face is assault. That’s a serious offense in most countries, and it would be extremely easy to get sent to jail for years.
Throwing soup at a painting that’s behind Plexiglas is, at most, disturbing the peace and vandalizing a museum’s floor.
This right here. For shame on anyone who genuinely thinks they’re on the right side of history, whining about soup on a Plexiglas barrier.
Amazing how many people want to ignore this crucial point - EVERY VALUABLE PAINTING IN A MUSEUM IS BEHIND INCH-THICK PLEXIGLAS. YOU COULD NOT POSSIBLY DAMAGE IT WITH TOMATO SOUP UNLESS YOU BROUGHT A FUCKING THERMAL DRILL.
It’s a fair argument, especially given how much… entertainment he seems to derive from owning it.