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  • If French troops were sent into Ukraine and were then hit by Russia, would that then trigger NATO agreements?

    Article 6 says:

    "For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

    on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer; on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer."

    Aware this might be a situation where the spirit of the agreement ends up being more important than the legalese.






  • I agree there’s a problem, and I agree about supporting progressive candidates when available.

    I think this is being taken as the only option mostly because a lot of strong progressive voices sat out this primary.

    Fair enough, to your point about people on Lemmy planning to make mistakes in November. I suspect those people aren’t the same ones voting uncommitted in the primary, though.

    I mostly see those as motivated progressives trying to raise an alarm so Dems can course correct here. If Dems listened, they might give us more ammo to persuade those Lemmy users who aren’t on board.


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    I’d say the idea of using the primary to voice concerns about what’s happening in Gaza is the least harmful path for people who really care about stopping fascism in both countries. Dems need to really hear that there is a problem that needs to be addressed, and voting uncommitted is literally the least you can do.

    Dems stand to lose a lot of votes if they continue to be silent for the “hug Bibi” policy.

    Also, sorry, but I don’t understand what alternative you’re suggesting for this course-correction. Can you clarify?

    For the record, my proposal is to hash this conversation out during the primaries and then go all-hands on deck for Dems in November. Because we have to.