I hate that republicans like saying that republicans are better for the economy when they’re not
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party
Well, to be fair, that graph only looks like that because the Dems always seem to inherit a dogshit economy that’s been destroyed by conservative policies, then the Republicans inherit a strong economy before destroying it.
Yup, unfortunately people don’t understand that policies only change the equilibrium, but sometimes take longer than electoral cycles to see effect.
That’s why no party really gives a shit about bringing down the national debt, because twofold:
- people hate you in your term because that’s less money being spent for their benefit now
- the opposition can have more spending room to provide more benefits in their term, making them more popular.
The Republicans will never reduce the debt because the only cuts that would make a difference are the ones that are the most popular with their voters. Couple that with tax cuts and the math just doesn’t work for deficit and debt reduction with a Republican government.
Are they going to cut Social Security? No, too many older voters that depend on that income. Medicare? Nope, same thing.
Will they cut the military? Of course not, they wouldn’t be able to virtue signal about how patriotic they are.
They’ll surely cut the education and IRS budgets, but the education cuts wouldn’t make a significant difference and the IRS cuts actually increase deficits because then the IRS can’t go after the rich.
The Democrats wouldn’t cut any of those things either, but if the Democrats increased taxes for top earners and top-earning corporations, and implemented a wealth tax, the increased revenue actually could reduce the deficit.
Are they going to cut Social Security? No, too many older voters that depend on that income. Medicare? Nope, same thing.
Republicans: “unless we can just not need their votes any more… 🧐 “
You’re suggesting the statistics shown in the study don’t help because it’s impossible to measure the length of the effect?
God I was steamed when Trump was praised for a good economy, when he inherited Obama’s policies and when Trump’s policies went into effect it caused Covid-19 lol
Republicans aren’t better for the the economy, they’re better at telling people they’re better for the economy.
The public doesn’t grock a long or nuanced list of economic policies. This is a painful lesson that the democrats never seam to learn.
That’s actually true worldwide. Wanna see how an economy looks like after over 30 years of almost uninterrupted conservative leadership? Look at where Germany stands now. Crumbling infrastructure, worst Internet in Europe, industry unable and/or unwilling to open itself to modern technology (best example being the German car industry).
I hate even more that everyone somehow believes them, just because they’ve said it enough times.
Even Trump admitted Democrats were better for the economy
Yep, I’m sure he still believes that. Especially when he was like the worse performing president within that last few decades
During a March 2004 interview, Trump stated: “It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.”
That’s juhst gayr propahgandurrr
They also like trying to sabotage the economy when they’re not in charge by telling others it’s shit … and there is evidence trump tried to delay deals last election
Don’t be surprised if he did the same to undermine Biden this time
You don’t need tariffs, you need taxes. The problem isn’t that your economy isn’t doing well, it’s that too much of the wealth goes to the top and too little to lower and middle class. It’s not normal that one man has more than 250 billion.
I may even argue that it is not normal that someone has more that one billion :)
try one hundred times less
-99 billion?
Not sure that’s how to math
What is 100 times 1 billion? 100 billion Now subtract that from the original and you get -99 billion.
100 times less is not 1/100th of the original.
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he won’t though. so enjoy your rights being taken away and rising cost of groceries.
What rights have been taken away?
The right to not be gaslighted with lies, stupidity, and disinformation.
Lmao.
the right to govern your own body.
the right to “kill babies” is probably what you’re fishing for us to say, right? very clever.
or maybe the way he campaigned on “you wont need to vote anymore”?
I’m not baiting anything. In fact, I’m pro choice. I’m genuinely asking: What rights have been taken away?
Dumb question, he’s not president yet.
Sure, bud.
Abortion in the red states, and that was work he did his last term.
Wait till he’s back in office, he’s nothing if not vindictive.
Lol, groceries are about to go up. Trump wants to continue a pointless tariff war with China. It’s not going to work.
The CPC is more than willing to plunge their own citizens into poverty to outlast the US. Americans complain over a 20 cent increase in gas. How do you think they’ll react when most of their goods suddenly increase by 30% or more?
Chinese labor made the American middle class.
I think it’s funny how Tankies pretend China is a paradise. China will absolutely starve every man, woman, and child over the pettiest of shit, there’s no telling what they’d do to win a tariff war.
And the deportations will end up raising grocery prices.
“Avocados from Mexico” is the only commercial I remember hearing on tv recently. I assume those 100% tariffs he wants on Mexico would raise the price of avocados right out of most buyers budget. I only buy them when they are in season around .60 cents. Over a dollar isn’t worth it to me. I’ve seen them as high as $2.50 sometimes here.
I’m hoping he was just spewing junk to rile up his base and doesn’t actually put tariffs on anything but cars (preferably nothing)
It killed the US middle class, or better, was one of the bigger factors in doing so. The American middle class was strongest post war until the late 70s. That was when our economic policies shifted to off-shoring as much labor as possible, and when the Chinese special economic zone polices were started, in cooperation with the US. The loss of manufacturing jobs in the following decades gutted the US middle class.
Yeah, how can people not see this? The “American Dream” and times of middle class prosperity were very obviously before China opened its economy and became the new industrial hub of the world. And when off-shoring started, so did real wage stagnation/decline.
Selling the declining American middle class plastic toys did not “make” that class. What made it were stable well paying manufacturing jobs. Trump won’t bring those back with a trade war with China, but the claim that Chinese labor “made” the American middle class is just delusional.
No one has found it odd that this happened around the time when a single person could no longer pay for a family for muh trad lifestyle.
The US middle class is diminished somewhat over a long period of time, not “killed”. 1971 was 61%, 2021 50%. And the movement from middle class has been upwards and downwards.
Uhm… Gonna have to wildly disagree with you there, wartime and postwar industrialization and strong unions created the American middle class, globalism breaking the unions is what has destroyed the middle class.
Mass deportation of our cheap labor supply will do way more to increase cost of groceries than Chinese tariffs ever will. The cold hard truth of it all is that our entire way of life depends on exploiting cheap migrant labor. Democrats don’t like to admit it because we don’t like that kind of exploitation, and republicans don’t like to admit it because they don’t like immigrants. But we depend on them as much as we do the laborers in chinese factories, the somewhat educated cheap labor in India, the children in sweatshops in Vietnam, and so on. Our entire economy is based on exploiting someone, somewhere, artifically reducing the cost of living for us.
There’s a little detail in the show that I always liked. They didn’t shove it in your face and I appreciate the subtlety.
The detail is that there were actually very few groceries in the grocery store. If you look closely, the produce is always very low quality, and there just wasn’t that much to choose from. It was a big deal when they got those navel oranges. Not much meats either, and they mostly got canned goods and such. It highlights how shitty their society is without going too overboard. “You might not have noticed, but your brain did.”
Even more obvious in the book, where its mentioned that even the commander can’t afford to eat meat whenever he wants.
Except he won’t, of course.
Blessed be the fruit.
May the lord open
As a fruit, I know I’m blessed but they seem to disagree
blessed be the groceries
only things he has brought down so far are morale and the IQ of the office
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Definitely thought this was a statement on Amish Pennsylvania at first… cuz that’s just how markets look like there lol
Blessed be the cheap fruit
These memes demonstrate that Democrats and people who obsess over politics online know nothing, learned nothing, and it wouldn’t surprise me if four years of fascism isn’t enough to change their behavior.
Yes.
Voters told Democrats that their biggest concern was poverty and the economy. They not only nominated someone with evident brain damage, but said candidate presided over severe inflation that had workers enduring 2-3 jobs just to be stuck unable to pay for basic necessities, and they wasted two months telling these struggling workers to be joyful, without any irony or concept of how tone-deaf that was.
Here in deep-red Missouri, we passed a $15 minimum wage and mandatory sick leave in a landslide. We voted down the abortion ban in a landslide. We also elected a Republican for governor and voted Trump as a state.
This should tell you that yes, the economy was in fact the most important issue on the ballot, not putting women in their place.
This should tell you that yes, the economy was in fact the most important issue on the ballot, not putting women in their place.
That’s the point. Maybe if people gave a shit about the actual policies they voted in instead of believing republicans waving their hands and saying “economy.” We wouldn’t end up where we will:
A fascist dictatorship, where your civil liberties are stripped away, corporations have more power, and the middle and working classes are just as bad, if not worse off.
If you only voted for trump based on the economy you deserve to face the worst of what this regime is about to bring.
Not a winning message if you want people to vote for your side one day. Dems are going to have to get over themselves and get on other people’s level if they want to win.
I’m still worried about how he’s even going to accomplish that, seeing as he’s also planning to deport the cheapest sources of agricultural labor.
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He’ll say that he did it
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The media will treat it as gospel
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People will believe it
Not listed: prices actually coming down
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It doesn’t matter because republican voters don’t actually care about the price of eggs. They only pretend to if they think it will help them win. It’s actually amazing more people don’t understand this considering it has been a pattern in US elections for like 40 years now.
I think it’ll wind up as slavery. Instead of actually deporting huge numbers of people, they’ll go “wow so it turns out that’s really hard” and use them as prison labor instead. You don’t have to pay prison laborers.
Isn’t that how the Nazi camps turned into death camps? Originally they were just saying to deport the jews, take back the country, blah blah, and then they realized how absolutely brutal it is to forcibly migrate millions of people so they turned to labor and executing the excess. Await a fact-check from a better informed WW2 scholar than me though
Ehhh, there’s still lively debate, but the general consensus is that the whole “we’ll deport the Jews/undesirables” thing was mostly a smokescreen, and the plan was always to either place them in work camps or kill the ones that couldn’t work. The camps came AFTER a lengthy campaign of extermination against “useless eaters” such as the elderly, the chronically ill, and the mentally and physically disabled, which was billed as “well they’re a huge drain on state resources.”
Simple. Prices will go up, Trump will hold a press conference announcing prices are lower, and 50% of the country will believe prices are lower instead of the lying mainstream media.
You forgot the part where he blames the democrats
This the the answer. The two major tenets of his platform are “raise tarrifs” (inflationary!) and “deport immigrants” (raising costs on production). Shit is going to get more expensive, but it won’t matter if facts continue not to matter and you have a boogieman to shake your stick at.
Some 1984 shit. Newspeak
You mean the lies of their eyes. I believe Orwell had something to say on the subject.
The mainstream media will report that Trump said prices are lower, and not actually point out that he is a lying liar.
I remember when his tax “cut” first was experienced, there were a bunch of tiktoks on the fact that their taxes went up. A lot of “I didn’t vote for this!” Videos.
But they soon forgot.
His fans are like cats. Easily distracted, so long as someone else is getting hurt worse.
His fans are like cats.
Hey, no need to disparage cats…
“Bananas have always cost $10, Michael.”
Plus adding tariffs to everything.
And what happens if he closes the border with Mexico? Is he going to disrupt trade with them too? Here in Texas an overwhelming majority of our produce is Mexican-grown
Hell, in Canada we mostly have Mexican vegetables and fruits most of the year because people want to eat the same things year long instead of eating the way people did just 100 years ago…
Tbh I expect him to try to invade Mexico at some point in the next few years
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“Nobody knew trade was this complex.” - Trump
I’m pretty sure he said that last time.
That’s easy! Repeal child labor laws and massively increase prison populations for slave labor!
…they did say private prisons were among the groups very happy to see a Trump victory. Wonder why…
I will make sure to suicide by cop before I end up a literal corporate slave, I will force the guards to kill me.
Those mass deportations are going to take a lot of money and time.
They’ll probably end up turning their massive holding facilities into work camps, maybe hang signs up with catchy slogans like “Trabajo te hace libre” or “El trabajo libera” and forbid any unfriendly reporters from seeing how the sausage is made.
Work will set you free
Slaves. The answer is slaves. And the framework for this already exists because prison labour is legalised slavery. They have already said they want to imprison anyone they don’t agree with. Given that includes all kinds of minorities and people who don’t agree with them politically, they are pretty much spoiled for choice. If you are in the US and fall under either of those categories you should be looking at how to get out.
Why do you think they’re relaxing child labor laws?
prices went up under Trump, Trump told people the prices went down, and dumb people believe him.
Biden told corporations to lower their prices, the corporations lowered their prices, Trump said prices went up, dumb people believed him.
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you are incorrect.
Biden called out Walmart, Target and other big chain stores specifically about staple grocery prices and asked them to lower their prices. over the next few days and weeks, all of those stores lowered thousands of their grocery prices.
Biden launched and funded organizations to fight price gouging and shrinkflation through the ftc, inflation has been steadily being brought down by Biden ever since the catastrophe trump left him.
Don’t forget the 10 prescription meds Biden negotiated MUCH lower prices for.
But hey, “Biden didn’t do anything”
yep, that is good to throw in.
I try to keep these as specific as I can, because as soon as I mention more than one item in the same sentence, the conservative arguing with me is like “so first he reduced inflation, then he also reduced prescription drug prices? which is it? choose one!”
presidents can actually do more than one thing-
"Last year biden said he was 80!
this year Biden says he’s 81!
what’s the real number?"
Oh I know, the whole communication space is cooked. I don’t know if it was just bad PR or intentional manipulation but the concrete positive impacts of the Biden admin are so unknown its sad.
