• Maalus@lemmy.world
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    25 days ago

    Employment laws don’t protect you from a boss denying PTO because you are needed on that specific date. Imagine having a 24hr devops team. Three guys went drinking together and crashed into a tree last night. They’re fine, but they need checkups and rest, so they have a doctors note. The team now needs to be planned well, but otherwise it is fine. Then someone comes up and says “I need PTO this week”. You tell them “sorry we can’t, too many people are out, we couldn’t get round the clock support like we have in the contract”. And then they leave anyways. And when they leave, the prod suddenly shits itself and there is noone who is there to react for the next 7 hours.

    Work life balance doesn’t mean “I get to grab PTO whenever I want to”. That’s why “on demand” days exist.

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      25 days ago

      Imagine having a 24hr devops team

      Okay…

      Three guys went drinking together and crashed into a tree last night

      Okay…

      fine. Then someone comes up and says “I need PTO this week”. You tell them “sorry we can’t, too many people are out, we couldn’t get round the clock support like we have in the contract”.

      Ok. That’s the companies problems, not the employee requesting PTO

      then they leave anyways. And when they leave, the prod suddenly shits itself and there is noone who is there to react for the next 7 hours.

      Alright so, here’s my read:

      This hypothetical company agreed to providing 24 hour support, then only staffed 4 people in the same geographic area capable of providing that support.

      To me this reads like an organization that was fundamentally incapable of providing the product they’re advertising in the first place without abusing their employees

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        25 days ago

        How is it insane? There are millions of situations where missing teammembers might happen. The flu, holiday season, furry convention. You usually plan for it, but no matter what you do, you can’t plan for everything. Then having someone just not come in means you cannot do what the contract requires.

        Getting fired for being denied PTO and then ignoring that and still going is normal. If you can’t plan for shit and people can’t get PTO ever, then it’s a you problem.

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      25 days ago

      You do have to give notice for PTO in my country, normally 4 weeks. Although my boss will generallly let me give a weeks notice.

      If we’re sick then we just don’t turn in and let them know we’re sick and still get paid.

      Edit: To clarify anything that impacts the business outside of these requirements is bad planning or cost cutting on the owners side and not my problem.