• TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee
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    15 days ago

    The funniest thing has been the people who voted Trump in also supporting this Gunman. Like … do you know the piece of shit you have just voted in?

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      14 days ago

      Class consciousness still exists even in today’s fractured USA. Ben Shapiro and (I think it was) Matt Walsh are currently getting clowned on by their own fans for criticizing the anger that has been ignited.

      Americans are stupid and respond to solutions. Harris offered no solutions, while Trump at least offered ineffectual shit like deporting twenty gazillion migrants.

      The healthcare situation has boiled all that facade down to reveal that everyone across party lines is both sick and aware of their oppression under corporate greed. I really wish that the opposing party would at least try to capture some of that rage, but every Democrat except maybe Bernie is sticking with the “corporations are our friends and this is so sickening frfr” narrative. :(

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        14 days ago

        Real solutions that don’t bypass the system are difficult to implement. Harris proposed hiking up the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28% that their CEOs financed and used their corporations to begin to favor Trump. She was also upping the taxes rich people payed. It’s funny how people who want to “eat the rich” and want to fight “corporate greed” often play to their interests.

        Trump is not going to be uselessly providing solutions. Don’t confuse his public-to-private funneling schemes catering to populisms as his policy. He’s going to provide very real solutions - for the rich - and the US, as known to the middle “you can actually play by the rules and be assured a relatively comfort rich place in society” class, will likely never recover from a second term now well aware of what it is and what it should cater to. In the years to follow, I don’t think the “one nation, undivided” Civil War legacy is going to remain the sacrosanct gospel of times past, and some states that never have considered it before will have to consider secession - while states that have had no problem screaming about it in the past will suddenly become “defenders of the union”.

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          14 days ago

          I think you’re talking past each other. Their point is not that Trump is the only one offering real solutions, their point is about messaging. Trump is willing to say very loudly something along the lines of “we have a big problem and I have a big solution.” The general public knows something is wrong. It makes him popular. Democrats have responded to this by effectively saying “we do not have big problems. We are going to make some improvements.” This is what you might call a less popular message. They need to be saying “we do have some big problems, but those aren’t solutions—these are solutions.

          And then they need to actually provide real solutions instead of more neoliberal rot, but hey! First things first, maybe stop running campaign messaging that opposes popular opinion

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            14 days ago

            yes they were talking past my point. your analysis is correct; appreciate ya :)

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        14 days ago

        For at least tens of millions it’s not so much class consciousness, more like class cluelessness - somehow they think they have something in common with a guy like Trump. They don’t grasp that they’re expendable peasants he doesn’t give two shits about. Even when he buses them out to his rallies and strands them, they still don’t get a clue.

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          14 days ago

          class consciousness in regards to healthcare abuses, class cluelessness in regard to trump’s actual values

          both can be true

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      14 days ago

      Like … do you know the piece of shit you have just voted in?

      Thats the fun thing about Trump voters: they dont know shit about what Trump stands for.

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      14 days ago

      Did you see muskrats tweet? Koolaid is solidly gobbled, the only enemies they see are the ones right in front of them directly pissing them off