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      4 days ago

      They still tie it to your ID since you need the phone number.

      And we just trust them not to share your social map to NSA which they totally don’t do. Trust me bro

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        The NSA already has your social map from Apple, Google, Facebook/whatsapp, plus a hundred other sources you’ve given access to your contacts in the past decade.

        Even if you’ve never used any of those, or given any app access to your contacts, 99% of your contacts have.

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          Data is about as good as it is current though and many people are reducing their exposure to these parasites

          A person can now pretty easily go without logging into any of these apps with a few adjustments.

          Hence why signal relationship maps will be even more valuable going forward. Hence my theory about signal…

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            I’m not getting you.

            There’s correspondence, there’s metadata, and there’s phone-ID relationship.

            Signal still protects #1 and #2 better than #3. And the way it works, infrastructure load is much bigger than for most other messaging platforms. So it makes total sense they limit registration somehow .

            I’m not sure I remember by now what I’ve read about Signal protocol, but I think the fact of who messages whom they don’t have, so it’s not just trust.

            ~~Anyway, if you’ve read about 90s’ mixmaster servers for mail, while Signal developers don’t approve of alternative clients, there are libraries and it’s possible to make some kind of a mixmaster bot. ~~

            I’ve left this, because it’s funny as a good illustration of why they don’t want alternative clients, among other things - because I’ve described a voluntary MITM.

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        That they do, but your contacts doesn’t have to get it anymore.
        A self-hosted matrix stack built from source with matrix clients built from source with e2ee implemented that you yourself have the competence to verify the encryption and safety of would be the only secure communication I know of if you don’t want to trust a third party.