- cross-posted to:
- firefox@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- firefox@lemmy.world
Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.
Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.
What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.
We need a license to allow us to make some of the basic functionality of Firefox possible. WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???
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They removed this:
{ "@type": "Question", "name": "Does Firefox sell your personal data?", "acceptedAnswer": { "@type": "Answer", "text": "Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. " } },I hate that they had “never will” in there. Seems like a broken promise.
They broke a promise and they broke my heart 💔💔💔
Dat want seem like it, it IS
i still like mozilla (and I donate to them monthly because i believe in the mission of an open internet) and, unlike most people, i don’t think this is a very big deal.
however, i don’t want to put all my eggs in one basket so… are there any other ethical pro open internet evangelist groups i should start to follow or contribute to? preferably an ethical foundation that isn’t cryptofash or bigoted. i know there’s the eff but they’re not really focused on an open and free internet, they’re more privacy (nothing against them; i love them).
bonus if they’re not hq’d in the us.
Alternatively…
So wtf happened at Mozilla for this 180 degree course change? This literally goed against everything it was supposed to stand for
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Uh huh, that is called a typo with auto correct on top of it
There is the part where you interact with Forefox. Without your data, it just won’t work. They need your timezone, your screen size,… I mean, that’s for every browser around, even the most hardened system. This data can be used for fingerprinting so you should be aware and you should agree upon that usage or quit the internet.
i.e. using a browser is sending data towards that browser.
What a whole lot of bloated bullshit. This isn’t clearer at all.
Time to switch to the Mullvad browser!
An alternative browser (not based on the Chromium) should be driven by the community (vide Proton).
Please pardon my ignorance on the matter, how does Mullvad compare to Brave?
The Mullvad browser is based on the gecko engine while Brave is based on chromium.
I dont trust Brave much because the ceo Brendan Eich is into right-wing politics and bitcoin.
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so why weren’t they in there before? moz’s lawyers have obviously never thought they even need a policy before now, so what changed?
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Why the hell does my HTML renderer need a baked-in frontend for a privacy nightmare that requires I sign over rights for every keystroke even if I don’t use it? If Mozilla really wants to roll it out themselves, make it an extension available for download and tie your abysmal terms of use to that, don’t upend your entire reputation for the latest big tech trend.
And the sentiment against AI on lemmy absolutely sucks dick. I’m tempted to go back to Reddit because this place is luddite.ml at this point. People who’ve never spun up a local model on their GPU talk like they have trifecta PhD creds in comp sci
Oh poor you, how dare people appropriately respond to foil-plated shit being advertised to us as platinum decor. Stay away from glue on days you use your computer
Do you think sucking dick is a bad thing?
Most people want features like AI
as someone who runs local inference all the time, i think that centralized online models have no place anywhere near consumers. partly because the things they offer are trivial and offload critical skills, partly because they require insane amounts of energy, and partly because they are privacy nightmares. all things that are against moz’s stated mission. and yet here we are.
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moz are behind llamafiles, but ollama is a separate entity.
also, chat models are just not that useful. i’m all for their local translation models and the like, but chat is just a toy.
WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???
They don’t care about your actual data, they care about how Firefox is used. That’s an incredible important piece of information every developer needs to know.
How else do you get to know, what’s working right and what doesn’t? How do you plan development for the next years if you don’t know what to develop?This is about throwing millions of $ at the right thing. If you miss you are fucked.
If data can be abused it will be abused.
You use your own software and read bug reports.
That only gives you a biased and incomplete insight.
Oh no, does this mean that Mozilla doesn’t give a damn about the privacy of their last twelve users? I.e. those who did not see that coming a decade ago?
At a time when they could actually be pushing the Manifest issue and try to finally get a foothold, instead it feels like they have scattered rakes around the yard in the middle of the night and decided to go for a jog.
Doing some digging, this is what has been added to the privacy notice:
You have the option to use a third-party AI chatbot of your choice to help you with things like summarizing what you’re reading, writing and brainstorming ideas, subject to that provider’s terms of use and privacy notice.
If you choose to enable a chatbot in the sidebar and/or through a shortcut, Mozilla does not have access to your conversations or the underlying content you input into the selected chatbot. We do collect technical and interaction data on how this feature is used to help improve Firefox, such as how often each third-party chatbot provider is chosen, how often suggested prompts are used, and the length of selected text.
In other words, there will be opt-in LLM functionality that can be tied to third party providers. When you submit information to them… they have that data… the data falls under their privacy policies, not Mozilla’s.
on to duck duck go?
Thanks to that overpaid ceo.
Besides the privacy issue, the TOU is ridiculous. They supply a tool (the browser) and you use it. It’s not a collaboration between you and them. You can use it whatever way you want.
Mozilla ai really isn’t that great stop getting caught in the wave. We don’t want another dogshit ai company we want a Foss promoting web browser
