So how screwed are we? Obviously this isn’t good, but I don’t think it’s going to stop here - and at least in the US it doesn’t seem like the political landscape is going to change any time soon. So is this bad enough for people to start having to do something like move away from the equator? Or are we approaching a legit “move to Mars” scenario?
Greed going from a well understood vice and personal failing to an aspirational core value for developed nations caused this. Society has yet to even begin to reject the message of the oligarch class to consume and produce value for them and their unquenchable greed. Unsustainable expectations of infinite economic growth/metastasis on a finite world is absolutely insane and how we got here.
There is no hope for humanity short or medium term. The only faint long term hope is that whatever amount of humanity that survives the self-inflicted greed-pocalypse actually learns that driving/incentivizing competition between humans will lead to disaster, and that we must share, cooperate, and consider the consequences of our actions for our species. The global economy chose “die alone” over “live together.” The endgame of which being those luxury bunker compounds capitalism’s few winners have been building in temperate areas to die alone of old age inside to spare themselves of the consequences of their actions on everyone else, you and I who will have to learn to subsist in the new normal climate, or die by its hands.
Jubilant, shameless capitalistic selfishness as a core value is how we got here. If we refuse to learn that lesson even after we start dropping like flies from heat, crop failures, and lack of fresh water for decades, then our extinction will be well deserved.
Change latitude, change altitude, save up for an off-grid power system, maybe learn a few things about living off the grid in general. I don’t think we could make earth less habitable than mars if we tried, but we are pushing it toward not being to support as much life as it does right now.
We are completely screwed. One reason nobody in positions of power are doing anything is because they know this, and also money. All these green initiatives are simply another handout or money grab until the end. Not that we shouldn’t try or stop inventing new technology, but we must keep our expectations in line with reality as well.
To answer your questions though, yeah, in our final years, humanity will be split between the North and South poles. Areas around the equator will be too hot to sustain human life. I wonder what our communication would look like then, being unable to physically travel between poles.
Anyway, this endgame scenario is probably a bit past our lifetimes now, but not by much. We will get to see the beginning of the end, so to speak, probably around 2030s-2050s climate change will become extreme enough for it to be undeniable to the masses. Expect mass deaths from famine, disease, heat, drought, extreme weather, inability to grow food, etc., the usual, but worldwide.
You can escape it for a while but eventually the entire planet will become hostile to most life as we know it. Maybe some microbes will be able to survive but not much else in the way of more complex lifeforms.
in our final years, humanity will be split between the North and South poles.
It isn’t as simple as that. Some models suggest that the Sahara will green and be human inhabitable. Similarly, many models have habitable islands in Central America, South and Southeast Asia, etc. On the other hand, many polar regions (in particular the Atlantic coast of Europe) may actually become too cold (or too variable) for humans.
Yes, I’m saying after that, literally in our final years, at the bitter end, even if we live long enough to see our sun begin to die and expand, the poles will be the only habital places on earth for a fleeting moment until we’re finally extinguished.
So how screwed are we? Obviously this isn’t good, but I don’t think it’s going to stop here - and at least in the US it doesn’t seem like the political landscape is going to change any time soon. So is this bad enough for people to start having to do something like move away from the equator? Or are we approaching a legit “move to Mars” scenario?
Move to Mars? I doubt that’s likely. If we can’t unfuck our own mostly functional atmosphere, what makes you think we can fix Mars’s
I mean, to be fair, at this point humanity can claim extensive experience in the area of planet scale terraforming.
We’re doing it as we speak!
That’s resumé energy for sure
Total Recall said so :)
Greed going from a well understood vice and personal failing to an aspirational core value for developed nations caused this. Society has yet to even begin to reject the message of the oligarch class to consume and produce value for them and their unquenchable greed. Unsustainable expectations of infinite economic growth/metastasis on a finite world is absolutely insane and how we got here.
There is no hope for humanity short or medium term. The only faint long term hope is that whatever amount of humanity that survives the self-inflicted greed-pocalypse actually learns that driving/incentivizing competition between humans will lead to disaster, and that we must share, cooperate, and consider the consequences of our actions for our species. The global economy chose “die alone” over “live together.” The endgame of which being those luxury bunker compounds capitalism’s few winners have been building in temperate areas to die alone of old age inside to spare themselves of the consequences of their actions on everyone else, you and I who will have to learn to subsist in the new normal climate, or die by its hands.
Jubilant, shameless capitalistic selfishness as a core value is how we got here. If we refuse to learn that lesson even after we start dropping like flies from heat, crop failures, and lack of fresh water for decades, then our extinction will be well deserved.
Change latitude, change altitude, save up for an off-grid power system, maybe learn a few things about living off the grid in general. I don’t think we could make earth less habitable than mars if we tried, but we are pushing it toward not being to support as much life as it does right now.
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Expect El niña to kick in right as Facsi… I mean Republicans take office causing a cooling affect that they’ll tote as “see!” evidence.
We are completely screwed. One reason nobody in positions of power are doing anything is because they know this, and also money. All these green initiatives are simply another handout or money grab until the end. Not that we shouldn’t try or stop inventing new technology, but we must keep our expectations in line with reality as well.
To answer your questions though, yeah, in our final years, humanity will be split between the North and South poles. Areas around the equator will be too hot to sustain human life. I wonder what our communication would look like then, being unable to physically travel between poles.
Anyway, this endgame scenario is probably a bit past our lifetimes now, but not by much. We will get to see the beginning of the end, so to speak, probably around 2030s-2050s climate change will become extreme enough for it to be undeniable to the masses. Expect mass deaths from famine, disease, heat, drought, extreme weather, inability to grow food, etc., the usual, but worldwide.
You can escape it for a while but eventually the entire planet will become hostile to most life as we know it. Maybe some microbes will be able to survive but not much else in the way of more complex lifeforms.
It isn’t as simple as that. Some models suggest that the Sahara will green and be human inhabitable. Similarly, many models have habitable islands in Central America, South and Southeast Asia, etc. On the other hand, many polar regions (in particular the Atlantic coast of Europe) may actually become too cold (or too variable) for humans.
Yes, I’m saying after that, literally in our final years, at the bitter end, even if we live long enough to see our sun begin to die and expand, the poles will be the only habital places on earth for a fleeting moment until we’re finally extinguished.