Lemmy’s design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

  • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    ·
    1 hour ago

    Lemmy is small enough, that without even seeing a karma total, some users have an unofficial “rapport”, where I’ve seen them around enough to recognize whether they are the type to go against the grain, a perpetual troll, or a usually reasonable person with an unusually spicy take.

    • FrostBlazer@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      1 hour ago

      With time we’ll get there! The more we slowly contribute to the niche topics, the more we’ll see these communities grow. I’m sure there are a sizable amount of people from Reddit looking for their niches on here to start growing more for them to fully hop over. I’ve got a good chunk of mine on Lemmy now, but still a handful of ones I haven’t found a comparable server for yet. If I understood running a server more I probably would have started a couple of my own for these topics.

      Is there anywhere on Lemmy people can request for servers to get started? I think that would be helpful to have since missing topics are some of the barriers of entry for some people.

    • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      24
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      5 hours ago

      Yeah, lemmy suffers a lot of from this. Too many posts that try to just make the front page, too many popular communities that dominate c/all. I’ve even had a friend quit over this.

      I genuinely miss communities about games, linguistics and niche hobbies - they just aren’t as popular as news/politics/general memes and that. I do try to post them as much as i can, but since they’re niche there’s only so much content you can find.

      I’d love for the frontpage to have some [optional, ofc] changes that encourage more of this type of content.

      • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        38 minutes ago

        Pretty much any game or random hobby I’m on at the moment, I could count on finding a decently populated and active Subreddit. This is what’s missing from Lemmy.

      • AugustWest@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        4 hours ago

        Why would anyone be on all? Even with reddit I I quit going to all probably 10 years ago…

        And don’t let my Lemmy age fool you, I drop my account every 6 to 8 months. It took my a lot longer to figure that out on reddit.

        • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          4 hours ago

          For me it’s to find new content (i block most news/politics communities since they’re most of c/all) but there’s a lot of attention and eyes to be gained from all.

          But most of this, as i said; is buried by the generic popular content.

          • AugustWest@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            edit-2
            3 hours ago

            Well yeah, that’s what ALL is right? The most generic stuff. You can browse communities and subscribe as needed.

            If you are going to use all It might help to enable scaled sorting.

            It boosts small communities in the sort.

    • AugustWest@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      4 hours ago

      Blocked? Why? If you don’t want to see them why are you subscribed to them?

      I mean if you want niche communities you create them and subscribe to them right?

      • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        44 minutes ago

        I just see them in the Everything feed, and if I don’t block them, they seem to dominate. I’m not actually against them, but I don’t want my feed to be all memes.

      • MHLoppy@fedia.io
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        3 hours ago

        Browsing the global/all feed is one way to find new communities, and some people just like using it in general rather than defaulting to a subs-only view.

        • AugustWest@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          3 hours ago

          Seems like a not so good way to me, and thats why people are complaining.

          You can just look through the communities and sub to good ones.

          Maybe it would be helpful to use ALL with scaled sorting. It boosts smaller communities.

          I gave up using all on reddit a very long time ago, and Lemmy is basically the same… But at least on Lemmy you have scaled sorting to try and help.

          • BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            2 hours ago

            Or just…browse all and then block communities you don’t want to see. Most stuff I block is furry shit. Nothing against it, I just don’t want to see it.

          • MHLoppy@fedia.io
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            2 hours ago

            For what it’s worth I generally agree with you, and especially think the people who treat /all as their own personal feed are nuts, but nonetheless it’s something that some people do 🫠

            Everyone has their own preferences about how to use things!

  • /home/pineapplelover@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    ·
    5 hours ago

    I mean there are upvotes and downvotes so I don’t know what you mean. But there isn’t a real incentive to have lots of upvotes on here. I’m not even sure why karma farming even is a thing on reddit. Maybe cause you can sell the account to whatever guy wants to buy it?

    • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      38 seconds ago

      It’s because Reddit specifically optimizes the site so that upvotes give you the maximum dopamine and keep you hooked on it like a crack. Most corporate social media thrive on keeping their users hooked through cheap tricks.

      Lemmy on the other hand doesn’t care or isn’t even able to do this because it doesn’t have army of psychology experts to design it that way

      So no you don’t get anything out of karma but your brain thinks you do and every aspect of the site is built to maximise this

  • Rhaedas@fedia.io
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    24
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    7 hours ago

    I wish that commenting would automatically upvote a post. It’s far too late to fix the use of an upvote as approval of subject discussion and not just an agree arrow, but I often…no, I almost always forget to upvote the initial topic even after leaving a few paragraphs. One would hope whatever algorithm is used also considers activity and number of comments in a rating or suggesting it to others.

    • Skavau@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      7 hours ago

      Yeah, I often just forget to upvote generally. Although this could lead to argumentative posters making troll posts, getting engagement and trending just because people reply to them.

    • naught101@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      7 hours ago

      There ate multiple algorithms, but I don’t think any of them account for both votes and comments… I might be wrong though.

      Tangent: the "scaled* algorithm, which normalises post ranks by the popularity of the community they’re posted to, is excellent. I recommend everyone use it as their default.

  • cm0002@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    18
    ·
    edit-2
    7 hours ago

    There are upvotes and downvotes and they do have some use gauging that content IMO

    That being said, without the corporate structure and profit motive to produce a monetizing algo that encourages others to game it to further their own monetizing goals…it’s SIGNIFICANTLY better

    Up/Down votes aren’t inherently bad, Reddit and other corporate platforms corrupt it with their profit chasing

  • Pregnenolone@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    6 hours ago

    I think the only way to really fix this is to make votes a limited asset that accounts have. There are forums where this has worked okay: bodybuilding.com forums has a reputation system where accounts are limited in what they can give to other voters.

    As long as “karma” is unlimited it suffers from the same problems whether you count it in aggregate or not. As some other commenters have said, people still seek validation in individual comments. I know because I do too.

  • Bonus @lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    ·
    edit-2
    6 hours ago

    Can’t say I ever cared about karma. Lemmy reminds me of stripped down original reddit. Almost original. I remember when Reddit didn’t even have thumbnails. Back then, there was a thing called memepool. You didn’t know what you were going to get when you clicked on links on either site. There was a lot of fun unpredictable content and Reddit still meant you read it and we’re vouching for it. It was like this whole world of quality stuff from really smart people. Thumbnails and subreddits ushered in a series of trashings and lead to intense divisiveness reddit never recovered from. . .

  • fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    7 hours ago

    Shit, I’m sorry. I had close to 1m before I bailed. It was all quality comment karma though. I just have no life.

  • Kaboom@reddthat.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    5 hours ago

    No, there’s karma. I’ve had more than a couple guys point out mine is negative.