Updated: Israel denies involvement in deadly Gaza hospital blast, says explosion caused by Islamic Jihad

  • hightrix@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    As has been repeated repeatedly, the first casualty of war is the truth.

    Do not believe either side. Only independent reports.

    If I was Hamas, I would absolutely call whatever happened an air strike from Israel.

    If I was Israel, I would absolutely call whatever happened a failed rocket explosion from Hamas.

    Do not believe either side. They are both lying.

    • ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶@lemmy.nz
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      Agreed. This is a great way for Israel to lose international support and gain more enemies. It’s not … ‘justifiable’ (that word is doing a lot of work) as a part of taking down Hamas.

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      That’s fine, but that’s not what’s happening in this thread. Plenty of people are quite willing to jump to blame Israel. I am perfectly fine blaming Hamas, the terrorist organization known for attacking its own citizens and blaming Israel. This is exactly out of their play book. Israel gains nothing but condemnation for attacking a hospital and given the restraint they’ve shown so far towards Gaza, it’s simply more likely Hamas than Israel did this.

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        This is exactly out of Israel’s playbook as well though, they attacked the very same hospital just within the week. “Restraint” towards Gaza? Last I heard there were over 6000 strikes launched by Israel, leveling whole villages, killing entire families. Over 2000 people killed inside Palestine after the first night of retaliation by Israel, striking numerous apartment blocks, hospitals and schools. I doubt anything will change your mind about the righteousness of Israel but I just want to point this out in case anyone thinks you have a good point.

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          And any other nation would have destroyed the whole Gaza strip after the first few 1000 rockets that were launched at them. What Israel continues to show is a measured restraint unlike any other nation.

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              Has Gaza been destroyed yet? That’s restraint. Cry all you want, Israel isn’t the terrorists you make them out to be. The terrorists are the literal terrorist organization with a stated mission to kill all Jews. Are you supporting that?

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                  have you seen what has happened, like in 2018, when Palestinians en-masse peacefully protested the Israeli government? Hundreds were killed while protesting, children, women, unarmed people

                  This is not true. Hamas organised the protest with militant groups attacking the borders. 229 of these protestors were killed. It is bad enough what Israel did to them. Why do you see the need to spread lies? That only hurts the case.

                  There is ample proof that the Israeli government has funded Hamas

                  Actually there isn’t. Although some people consider it likely, there is no proof. There is one ex military of Israel who says it was the case. With no proof of it actually happening.

                  Israel is a terrorist state

                  A terrorist state with women and LGBTQ rights. Where Palestinians are citizens allowed to vote and bring in their families? Sorry, it’s just bullshit to call it a terrorist state. It’s a state lead by an extreme right winger that believes the entire region should belong to Israel.

                  Again, making it more extreme to somehow garner sympathy for Palestine backfires if you use lies and exaggeration. It just makes your whole post seem like propaganda.

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                  1 year ago

                  So Israel is responsible for funding Hamas, but Hamas isn’t responsible for the terrorism they commit? That’s how you assign responsibility?

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        I am perfectly fine blaming Hamas

        Obviously. I’m perfectly fine blaming whoever is responsible, that being Israel or Hamas.

        You aren’t. Prove me wrong.

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          Oh, I don’t have any problem blaming whoever is responsible. The facts will bear out. I’m just saying, factually, this event fits much more in the Hamas playbook than in Israel’s. Do you disagree? Again, Hamas is known for attacking their citizens and blaming Israel, while Isreal has shown more restraint towards Gaza than any other nation would have.

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            No. I do not agree. Israel are not the good guys here neither is Hamas.

            Israel is also known for killing civilians, journalists, and bombing non military targets.

            I do not give either side the benefit of doubt based on their history of behavior. Both sides have/are committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.

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              That’s fine. You realize we’re dealing with a terrorist organization known for killing its own citizens? They’d kill you without hesitation if they thought it would benefit them. Who gains more from bombing this hospital? Hamas, if they manage to successfully blame Israel? Or Israel? Obviously, it’s hamas that has more to gain.

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                I’m done reading your propaganda attempts. I’d not be surprised if you are employees by the IDF with your extreme adversity to saying anything negative about Israel.

                Have fun trying to propagandize others. I’m done with it.

                Edit: Notice how they did not respond to my comment. They simply posted more in support of Israel. This person is a propagandist.

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        Ugh, what restraint are you talking about? By stopping the electricity, water and food to Gaza, or by forcefully displacing hundreds of thousands or by flattening a whole residential neighbourhood.

        I am not defending Hamas, in a perfect world they wouldn’t exist and I would be happy if they are gone forever, but the way Israel is treating Palestinians both in Gaza and in the West bank isn’t exactly a recipe for long lasting peace.

        You can’t expect that people would just tolerate whatever shit you give them and there won’t be dissent voices, and radicalization. And don’t start that this is only happening on the Palestinian side, because a lot of Palestinians were simply killed by Israeli settlers.

        Both nations are victims of their own propaganda, and it is religion and politics that divide us as humanity. For me everyone deserves a decent life, no matter the skin colour, religious belief or nation, full stop.

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        It doesn’t matter what Hamas or Palestine does. If they kill everyone in Israel people would cheer for them and perhaps in a sidenote claim “Sucks for the civilians, but yay Palestine!”.

        I wonder if they still cheer when the area is under Palestinian control with everything that comes with it. Goodbye LGBTQ and women’s rights.