nothing to see here :)
If we care about human rights we should be stopping the bombings. People keep treating this like an earthquake or a hurricane or something.
That’s rich considering how few Gazans Egypt has taken in over the years. Europe doesn’t want them, true, but neither does the Arab world. Palestinians have always been at the bottom of the strata.
There’s a reason that Egypt will not take them in and I understand and respect that. No hard feelings there.
“Hey stop bombing Gaza, they are not all terrorists!”
“Giving civilians refuge? But they are all terrorists!”
The duality of Palestine.
The reason is that they’re assholes. They claim that they can’t do it because there’s no assurance of return and because they’re worried about Hamas. Sorry, those are not reasons to ignore a humanitarian crisis at your border.
What would happen if Hamas started launching attacks against Israel from Egyptian soil?
Then Egypt needs to eliminate the threat of Hamas in their country.
Oh - that’s not possible without collateral damage since the absolute love using civilians as human shields? Better not take them in and let Israel take the blame…
Are you saying they shouldn’t take in refugees just in case Hamas attacks from Egypt because it might result in an Israeli response? Because you could make that same argument about Ukrainians fleeing to Poland. They might secretly be backing Russia. What if they launch attacks against Ukraine from Polish soil?
EDIT: I’m sorry, you can downvote me all you like, but this is a bullshit excuse to stop taking in people who are facing a genocide. Egypt sees a genocide happening on their border and, instead of letting refugees in, they say, “why can’t Europe take care of it?” I’m sorry, it’s bullshit. They’re complicit in this genocide. They aren’t the cause- the cause is Israel- but they’re complicit. They’re letting Gazans die.
Alright, let me ask this question. Why does Hamas exist in Palestine? Did Palestine take any steps to remove or eliminate Hamas before this war broke out?
What relevance does that have to Egypt refusing to help refugees fleeing from a genocide? Should no one take in Gazan refugees?
Because if the government of Palestine and the people of Palestine were willingly housing a known terrorist organization, I might be hesitant to let them through my country as well.
Or would you let Russians from either the occupied Luhansk or Donetsk oblast stay with you?
Why does Hamas exist in Palestine?
At least partially because Israel saw it as beneficial.
Did Palestine take any steps to remove or eliminate Hamas before this war broke out?
With, let me guess, weapons Israel gave them to do it?
Seriously how do you expect people to get rid of a theocratic dictatorship, without external help, in the situation that Gaza is in.
I’d hope Egypt would then work together with Israel on disarming Hamas on Egyptian soil.
By bombing Egyptian soil?
Forced displacement of a people *is a war crime" and given the Nakba it’s not such a bad idea to not give this to Israel. We’ve played this game before in 1948 and did any refugee from that era get to ever return home? Nope.
So Egypt can’t take them because it would allow Israel to commit a war crime by displacing them, but Egypt thinks Europe should take them
Okay, then what should Gazans do, stay put and die? Because unless they’re either staying put or somehow getting into Israel, Egypt sounds like their only option. Except Egypt won’t allow it.
Gazans and double nationals are as we speak now at the Rafah crossing and no government was able to get them out.
What they should do is get aid and a ceasefire and an end to the blockade. There is nothing you can expect from a group of civilians dying every day under bombing. There is nothing they as a group “should do” other than try to survive and not be forced out of their homeland.
Even if they get to leave, their lives will still be shit. Once a refugee forever a refugee.
So you’re basically saying Gazans should stay put and hope that there’s peace before they’re murdered. I see.
I’m saying that if Gazans move now, it’s one extra tragedy they don’t need to fucking deal with. Gazans are in this now because Israel is killing them and destroying their homes, and yet on top of that they have to also take all their shit and leave, which can only be done with great difficulty already, not to mention Israel made sure to displace 1m+ people already in the past two weeks?
You can mold this statement to whatever form you want that makes you feel better.
Every single thing Gazans are going through now is with Israel literally pulling the trigger and making the decision. I read today that one Hamas official was killed. I wondered if it was worth it? 5kcivilians dead, thousands missing, almost half of the dead are children, people buried in mass graves… was it worth killing one single Hamas fighter for this many civilians? Was it worth making a new holocaust? Was it worth committing genocide? And Israel’s “only solution” with their infinite power and technology and foreign support was to bomb the shit out of them, breaking their bones under their own destroyed homes? Fuck this.
Refugees are a financial and societal strain on any country taking them. That is not to say that no one should take in refugees at all. We as humans should take care of other people running away from death. At the same time I can definitely see why a developing country like Egypt isn’t willing to take any refugees due to the immense implications that comes with.
Having said that, what I find very interesting as a European is that we, and our allies are poruing money and weapons into Israel, weapons which they use to carpet bomb and level Gaza to the ground, leaving over a MILLION people without homes in an already empoverished country where 70% of the population are refugees. Why aren’t we as Europeans saying anything to our “allies” over the pond pouring weapons into Israel? At the end of the day, if Israel continues with this campaign of ethnic cleansing these people will have to run somewhere, and some of them will end up here.
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That’s the thing, over the years. Taking 2 million refugees at once is asking for them to die. Not gonna defend Egypt’s behavior in post-1948 Gaza, but right now it’s another story. There’s just no way to take in that many people, not to mention that if they enter Hamas attacks will come from Sinai, causing retaliation from Israel in Sinai and you just have another war between Egypt and Israel.
Because international law is enforced to help powerful counties.
Or maybe Europe could pressure Israel to stop bombing civilians and carrying out ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
I wish the cowardly aliens would come back and finish us off like they tried to in 1908
They say they’re quoting the financial times. But I can’t find this article, or this quote on the financial times
https://www.ft.com/search?sort=date&q="you+want+us+to+take+one+million+people"
Does anyone have a link to the original source?
As a Turk, I find them right. If you support attacks to Syria, you shouldn’t be surprised when the Syrians come knocking at your door. If you support bombing Palestine, you still shouldn’t be upset. This is a natural phenomenon. It’s a matter of action and reaction.
Unfortunately the case of Syria applies to Turkey as well. We should have been impartial from the very beginning. However, Erdoğan, the leader of the Ummah, wanted to intervene, as usual.
By that logic most Syrians would be knocking on Russia’s door…
US too. But why would US or Russia think about it while there is open border, welfare countries in EU? I’m pretty sure these both would prefer a non-stable, right wing managed EU.
We could exchange them for a few million other refugees from your continent.
So Egypt’s position is that the people in Gaza are subhumans who don’t deserve any rights?
The truth is that pretty much all countries in the region hate Palestinians, even the ones that cheer Hamas. They don’t cheer Hamas because they love Palestinians, but because they hate Israel even more.
You can see that none of the countries that supports Palestine are offering to take any Palestinian refugees. They can all die as far as they are concerned.
That’s how much the whole situation is fucked up.
Okay you’re making up a lot of shit. While I hate El Sisi with all my guts his logic for not taking refugees is sound. Also, taking refugees means Gaza falls under Israel, because those people will not be allowed back in. Taking refugees in this situation helps Israel carry out their genocide.
Also, taking refugees means Gaza falls under Israel, because those people will not be allowed back in. Taking refugees in this situation helps Israel carry out their genocide.
How nice of Egypt to make that decision for the people of Gaza and refuse them refuge.
I’d be willing to take in Palestinian refugees, but the government does not represent my interests.
What exactly is your evidence that somehow of ALL Arabs, Palestinians are “hated” the most? Trying to make it look like there is something genetically wrong with these people undergoing decades of apartheid? Like somehow how we justify murder depends on how we see those murdered and if you can’t see them as human beings then it is easy to make such dumb blanket statements.
They can all die as far as they are concerned. … That’s how much the whole situation is fucked up.
Very fucked up. Additional examples of how fucked up it is.
No, it’s that they did accept them in the past and Palestinians (or Hamas disguised as Palestinian civilians perhaps, I don’t know it’s very complicated) have tried to destabilise and overthrow their government.
Edit: can someone with more brainpower, no fibro fog and knowledge explain please?
It’s because Israel causes a forced mass exodus of Palestinians into other Arab lands with the right of return and they were never able to return. The attempt to drive Gaza’s population (which is already full of refugees who were driven to Gaza by Israel in the first place) are a war crime and are meant to displace them and ethnically cleanse them. Gazans should have the right to get care and shelter in their own homes or whatever is left of those homes now.
Israel may like to make it look like it’s a humanitarian thing to fling the doors open and have 2 million people kiss their homes goodbye… It’s not. It’s a war crime.
Thank you sir!
“Ensign, despite Starfleet protocol, I don’t like being addressed as sir.”
Whoa wtf did you just assume someone’s rank
They believe in the Palestinians right not to be the victims of a genocide.
Not quite sure how you reached that conclusion from the article.
should probably let a few more trucks in then
That’s on Israel. Egypt has been demanding to let aid in Gaza for a while, but the crossing can’t be opened without Israeli agreement.
You can touch the moon with that reach.
