It started off with “Spain is not a real place”. Learn to take a joke. And he didn’t say shit about people of Spain, he made a joke about their hours. Calm down before your head explodes.
Sadly, in the minds of most people there are several physical characteristics which they see as making people different, so de facto there are various races because most people mentaly divide mankind into such partitions. Good that you don’t, but you yourself don’t get to deny that a certain way of viewing others that most of people hold exists, just because you don’t like or share it.
Raceism (or in Spanish Racismo) - literally has no meaning if it’s root word, Race (or Raza), has no meaning.
My point is that people equate nationality to a race. So when they are talking negative about a nationality they are indeed racist by the standart of common speech.
If we get scientific and say people are only racist when they talk negative about a race, then the thing falls apart because there is just the human race.
I’m arguing that not just physical appearance is a race in the minds of people, as you say, but nationality too.
My experience - as a Southern European - having lived in various countries in Europe is that people did not see me as having a different race.
They saw me as a having a different Culture, but not actually race, and whilst on more than one occasion when living abroad people expressed prejudiced opinions about me when they didn’t knew me well as a person but knew where I came from (which they couldn’t tell from the way I looked or even my accent, since I looked like them and my accent was the product of living in multiple countries), when I mentioned that I had lived for almost a decade elsewhere, in Northern Europe, suddenly those prejudices would vanish, all of which leads me to believe it was about the dominant Culture in my life rather than any racial markers.
Further, those people I knew abroad who grew up in the same Culture as me (so, Portuguese) but had a race other than White got an entirelly different treamtment (significantly worse) than I did and which was pretty similar to other people of the same race and not to other Southern Europeans.
Hence why I think that there is Cultural Prejudice which is different from Racial Prejudice and what I read in these posts here sounds a lot more like the former than the latter, though I grant you that it’s unclear where one ends and the other starts.
I think we agree on viewpoints, we differ more on the definition of racism. I agree that racism classically has been about ethnicity, but in modern days it’s more broad. For example:
So if nationality can be qualified as a race, discrimination about nationality should be called racism.
In any case, you can replace racist in my original comment with prejudicial (although racist sounds way more heavy, which is why I prefer it) and it’s true anyway.
Yeah, I’ve seen some Legal Acts were discrimination on nationality was defined as Racism.
I am very wary of using Racism for discrimination based on nationality because, having been victim of discrimination based on my Nationality whilst being an immigrant abroad and having the same “Race” as the people in that country (basically I look the same as they do) and also having seen the discrimination in that same country against acquaintances of mine with the same Nationality as me but not the same Race, the treatment I got was not the same as they got, prejudices against me were was far less frequent and those against them were far worse (though, this one time, negative culturally prejudiced expectations about me did snowball into something huge and highly damaging to me).
It presents the ever famous image of “lazy Spaniards don’t work and have lazy hours.nothing is open ever”. That’s racist.
Lmao. You need to learn what racist means.
In the Equality Act, race can mean your colour, or your nationality (including your citizenship).
I’m pretty sure I know. Do you?
In any case, we are arguing about semantics. You would agree that the post was prejudicial, right?
It started off with “Spain is not a real place”. Learn to take a joke. And he didn’t say shit about people of Spain, he made a joke about their hours. Calm down before your head explodes.
It’s definitelly Prejudice, and since it’s based on nationality rather than on race, it’s not by definition Racism (which is the latter kind).
If racisms would be based on race then there would be no racism as we are all one race, the human race.
Two points:
Your “argument” is both egotistic and illogical.
My point is that people equate nationality to a race. So when they are talking negative about a nationality they are indeed racist by the standart of common speech.
If we get scientific and say people are only racist when they talk negative about a race, then the thing falls apart because there is just the human race.
I’m arguing that not just physical appearance is a race in the minds of people, as you say, but nationality too.
My experience - as a Southern European - having lived in various countries in Europe is that people did not see me as having a different race.
They saw me as a having a different Culture, but not actually race, and whilst on more than one occasion when living abroad people expressed prejudiced opinions about me when they didn’t knew me well as a person but knew where I came from (which they couldn’t tell from the way I looked or even my accent, since I looked like them and my accent was the product of living in multiple countries), when I mentioned that I had lived for almost a decade elsewhere, in Northern Europe, suddenly those prejudices would vanish, all of which leads me to believe it was about the dominant Culture in my life rather than any racial markers.
Further, those people I knew abroad who grew up in the same Culture as me (so, Portuguese) but had a race other than White got an entirelly different treamtment (significantly worse) than I did and which was pretty similar to other people of the same race and not to other Southern Europeans.
Hence why I think that there is Cultural Prejudice which is different from Racial Prejudice and what I read in these posts here sounds a lot more like the former than the latter, though I grant you that it’s unclear where one ends and the other starts.
I think we agree on viewpoints, we differ more on the definition of racism. I agree that racism classically has been about ethnicity, but in modern days it’s more broad. For example:
In the Equality Act, race can mean your colour, or your nationality (including your citizenship).
So if nationality can be qualified as a race, discrimination about nationality should be called racism.
In any case, you can replace racist in my original comment with prejudicial (although racist sounds way more heavy, which is why I prefer it) and it’s true anyway.
Yeah, I’ve seen some Legal Acts were discrimination on nationality was defined as Racism.
I am very wary of using Racism for discrimination based on nationality because, having been victim of discrimination based on my Nationality whilst being an immigrant abroad and having the same “Race” as the people in that country (basically I look the same as they do) and also having seen the discrimination in that same country against acquaintances of mine with the same Nationality as me but not the same Race, the treatment I got was not the same as they got, prejudices against me were was far less frequent and those against them were far worse (though, this one time, negative culturally prejudiced expectations about me did snowball into something huge and highly damaging to me).