• Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    1 year ago

    Discord is spyware and all of my friends are the laziest most boring people for thinking they should spend their entire social lives on one app.

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      plus doesn’t it just feel awful to use as software? the way lemmy looks and responds to clicks is night and day versus the le epic gamer kid dark mode awful buggy weird PC web view thing discord does where like, if you want to copy and paste you have to use their little tooltip menu which sucks instead of the system one. every time you launch it it forces you to wait 10 minutes for it to download every piddly little update which probably sucks and doesn’t matter…

      lemmy is buggy and has its flaws as well of course but it’s just like…this is a good solid website. good bones. like the old days.

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      1 year ago

      I see a few claims of spyware in here. Not that I doubt you, but where can I find out more?

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            Because I don’t want to live in a bubble? Isn’t the whole point of Internet forums to have dissenting opinions? I made that comment to start a discussion or have others reflect on what their perspectives might be, because it really seems like almost all of Lemmy is anti-corporate, pro-hyper-privacy. I’m not pro-corporate by any means, but I really think it’s time people reflect and think of reasons why some people may use a platform like Discord, instead of just assuming they are stupid, or otherwise lesser, and like being spied. Because it’s just simply hyperbolic and not true. Not everything has to be FOSS, there are use cases for otherwise.

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              I believe communication should not be a commodity. It should be FOSS. I believe discord is free because it feels like something that provides little to no value, and yet the company has shareholders and must provide value to them. Ridiculous.

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                1 year ago

                That is a fine perspective, and I’m here to learn about yours. However, that does not make it spyware.

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                  1 year ago

                  Idk what the bar is for spyware but Ill be specific about my belief: discord is basically the most red flags of any social media and also has the facade of a very private and personal space.

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                    You were the one that called it spyware. Your opinion is valid, but my opinion was that Lemmy users tend to exaggerate when talking about closed source software. People are so quick to trash on anything not FOSS, then when asked about sources to back claims up, they are mostly anecdotal and not directly related to the additional claims. Case-in-point, someone asked why you called it spyware, and you responded with the first two points referencing a clauses of a privacy policy that is nearly identical to every social media platform in existence today, and the last point referencing security flaws. The security flaws, in the past, were mostly around cookie stealers (which isn’t Discord’s fault, literally any browser is at risk if you download malware), and some chromium bugs. A lot of the “hacks” that went around were just scare-pastas that were just made up too. So, no, I don’t think there are notable, active flaws that are currently being abused by third-parties as you claim, because Discord has a financial interest to keep their platform secure. If there were active holes being exploited and they just sat around and did nothing, it would upset shareholders, which you noted they did have.

                    So while you are entitled to your opinion, I do challenge you to consider the other sides of the argument, and consider that closed source software users may have good reasons to use such software. Also do consider that some of the points you made are hyperbolic and that you may be moving the goal posts a bit with your claims.

                    I wish you well, take care.

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        1 year ago

        So the basics of what I’ve read is:

        • Discord stores all messages and media. If you delete it, or delete your account, its still there.
        • Discord does not SELL that data. Instead, they hand it over to the ad companies that are the shareholders of Discord.
        • Discord has lots of security flaws that are abused by third parties all the damn time.

        I know its different now because Discord has nitro and there are lots if good reasons to subscribe. But Discord ran without all if that subscriber funding and in that time they probably found ways to make money off of what resources they had at the time… Information.

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          That’s how Reddit works/worked. Probably lemmy too though I haven’t looked too close. Deleting your account doesn’t necessarily mean the content your account created is taken with it. Things not being deleted with your account is a werid thing to cite for spy ware, lots of stuff works like that and you can delete it, just isn’t automatically deleted with your account.

          Discord having security flaws does not make it spy ware. There have been some pretty severe security issues but almost every one I’ve heard of has its roots in a gullible user running some sort of application on their machine or scanning a QR code with the Discord app which makes it extremely clear you are logging into another device… The only one I’m aware of that I found very concerning was iirc a werid video player vulnerability that could yank your token.

          I highly doubt Discord is giving advertisers access to the messages on their platform. That sounds insanely illegal and also largly a waste of time cause if they are doing that it doesn’t work very well.

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            On reddit you can simply use a tampermonkey script to remove your data. On discord, there is no option to delete all your messages. To the extent that there’s a discussion worth having about whether Discord is following the GDPR.

            Not tackling security issues means discord is okay with third parties exploiting the software to gain info about certain users - which could include hacker groups or government actors targeting single targets.

            I dont think discord can give individual messages over, legally, although they are stored unencrypted on Discord’s server.

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        1 year ago

        Alright, replies to my initial comment got me motivated to look for the receipts:

        https://discord.com/blog/how-discord-stores-billions-of-messages

        • yes discord saves every message forever, to an extent that they are almost certainly breaking GDPR laws.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/rsxeee/you_should_never_use_discord_and_heres_why/

        https://meaww.com/discord-who-owns-jason-citron-microsoft-acquisition-company-net-worth-10-b-talks

        I heard this argument so long ago that basically Discord doesnt sell data but instead shares it with shareholders, which includes many ad companies, including tencent. They probably give this data to their linked partners like twitch and Microsoft. Discord still isnt profitable and they are a public company, they are expected to exhaust every opportunity to give value to those shareholders.

        https://www.fastcompany.com/90157501/how-widely-do-companies-share-user-data-heres-a-chilling-glimpse

        https://stallman.org/discord.html