• TwoGems@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Well except the part where we’re on the brink of fascism and not voting will get Trump elected, which is completely idiotic to toy with

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      10 months ago

      So, in that case, backing genocide was completely fucking idiotic to toy with.

      Harm reduction arguments stop working when the harm reduction side STILL fucking backs genocide.

      If that is the best we can do, and you expect me to be complicit with genocide by voting for someone who could stop it with one phone call but hasn’t, then maybe the system needs to break.

      If you want to preserve it this system through genocide and ethnic cleansing, then that says something about your moral code, or lack thereof.

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      10 months ago

      Trump governed like a milquetoast Republican and Democrats haven’t even tried to undo any of his legislative victories. They even committed more money to completing Trump’s stupid wall.

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        10 months ago

        The difference is that he didn’t accept the peaceful transition of power at all. And they’re at it again with their new Project 2025, they’re aiming for fascism.

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          10 months ago

          Project 2025 is a new iteration of something latent in your political system, Reagan was the first to explicitly reference unitary executive theory in signing statements which Bush Jr. also did.

          Ultimately your founders didn’t define what the office of the president really means, and presidents have explored and pushed this position to the limits it exists as today. Trump maybe will succeed in finally exposing the critical faults that lie in the country’s founding notions.

          My whole life since Reagan Democrats have been appealing to the idea that “this is the last chance” for democracy in the US in order to double-down on the consenting arrangement that has only spiraled further to the right, resulting in the current situation. Maybe it’s been true this whole time, but this “just vote Dem so we can fix it later” thing is clearly just making it worse, else you wouldn’t be in this situation.

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            10 months ago

            Until Dems unite behind ranked choice voting and well-designed non-partisan redistricting, DESPITE the fact that they might lose seats to rando third party candidates, nothing will change. I wish the American populous of all political stripes knew about these necessary reforms and were willing to loudly fight for them. It would change the USA as we know it.

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          10 months ago

          Electing Biden in 2020 didn’t stop them. We’re closer to fascist dictatorship than ever. What will electing Biden this time around do to stop them, so that we’re not on the precipice again in 2028, if not earlier?

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              10 months ago

              Similar to leaping out of the window of a burning building, I guess, a chance to figure out a way to survive on the way down instead of burning up?

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              10 months ago

              Delayed fascism that requires voting for someone who could stop genocide and ethnic cleansing with one phone call but doesn’t isn’t delayed fascism.

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                10 months ago

                I mean, it is. Democracies can do genocides without being fascist. It’s not great, but it’s true. The alternative is Trump, who probably wouldn’t even be making lip service to a ceasefire or mentioning the West Bank settlements like Biden has.

          • TwoGems@lemmy.world
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            10 months ago

            Who do you want to elect then? A third party that can’t mathematically get elected?

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              10 months ago

              Here’s the thing: We had to hold our noses and vote for Biden in 2020 to stop the fascists, yet they have advanced anyway. So we hold our noses and vote Biden again in 2024, and…

              …what? The fascists decide it’s taken too long, and give up? Or does their movement continue to fester, and make gains in statehouses. It feels like the choice is between an autocratic President in 2025, or an autocratic President in 2029 when democratic norms are weaker.

              And no, I don’t have a solution.

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        10 months ago

        Democrats haven’t even tried to undo any of his legislative victories.

        Except they have, did and are doing.

        They even committed more money to completing Trump’s stupid wall.

        Lie. They stopped completing the stupid wall. (But they didn’t break contracts which were already done and paid for).