• djdadi@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    It blows my mind we’re in a time and place where you get downvoted for wanting terrorism to end.

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      11 months ago

      Also, even if wanting Hamas to surrender is just “wanting terrorism to end”, Hamas surrendering would be the biggest catastrophe to befall the Palestinian people since the Nakba. Israel will, at the very least, make Gaza like the West Bank, likely worse. They’ve already stated they want security control over Gaza, and we all know what that means.

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        11 months ago

        Hamas doesn’t give two shits about the Palestinians under their control. How does being governed by a country that cares for human life worse than being ruled with fear by a terrorist organization that values killing Jews more than your own life?

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          11 months ago

          Look at the West Bank; you’ll find your answer. Then remember that if Hamas surrenders, that’s Gaza’s best-case scenario.

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            11 months ago

            And if Israel surrendered, every single person would be slaughtered.

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            11 months ago

            That’s complete bullshit. Israel’s intense care for the lives of their citizens is how we ended up here. In fact if the iron dome wasn’t developed, we’d have gotten to this point even sooner, because protecting Israeli citizens (yes, that includes the Arab citizens as well) is Israel’s #1 priority.

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              11 months ago

              their blatant disregard for human life and human rights begs to differ. hell, there are reports that top brass of the israeli government knew about the attack on october 7 beforehand and allowed it to happen, so they could use it as justification for bombing the shit out of Gaza.

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        11 months ago

        Kinda weird that Hamas only wanted prisoners back who were convicted of violent crimes then?

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      11 months ago

      I’m happy we’re in a time and place where you get downvoted for wanting Gazans to go back to the pre-war status quo without even freeing their people behind Israeli bars, let alone surrender to Israel and get the West Bank treatment.

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              11 months ago

              You could’ve asked why first. I am not, BTW, defending atrocities committed during October 7th. These are different things.

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                11 months ago

                Your comments say otherwise. Saying two contradictory things doesn’t suddenly make you right.

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                  11 months ago

                  Bruh.

                  October 7th = legitimate military action against a foreign oppressor.

                  Actions of a fraction of individual soldiers on October 7th = atrocities punishable by international law.

                  That’s the distinction, and it’ll remain until there’s evidence Hamas ordered or encouraged atrocities against civilians.

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                    11 months ago

                    October 7th = legitimate military action against a foreign oppressor.

                    Terrorist attack on a soveign nation.

                    Actions of a fraction of individual soldiers on October 7th = atrocities punishable by international law.

                    Action of a majority of individuals. Remember 99% is still a fraction

                    That’s the distinction, and it’ll remain until there’s evidence Hamas ordered or encouraged atrocities against civilians.

                    There is evidence, you simply choose to ignore it.

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              11 months ago

              I was gonna explain a lot of things, but after seeing your second sentence yeah that’s pointless. I’ll just mention that the UN already condemned Israel for war crimes in Gaza. Israel’s response is neither legal nor required for anything except to keep their brutal occupation going.

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                11 months ago

                At this point you’re nothing better than a terrorist shill. I’ve been seeing your comments for the last week here. You’ve said nothing but misinformation the entire time.

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                  11 months ago

                  Uh… The blockade is an act of war. Israel has been doing that since 2005 (and has been occupying Gaza and the West Bank since 1967), proving they’re unable to safely coexist in the region. History extends beyond October 7th.

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      11 months ago

      But what about all the sweet leverage Hamas gets by keeping the hostages!?! Surely that’s more important than the Palestinians!

      🤮