I think you’re giving too much discount for the Palestinians for their current state or affairs and make it sound like everything that happened to them was done to them by Israel only.
Both you and I know that is not true. A lot of things could and should have been handled differently, the same of course can be said for Israel. So try to get out of the position for a moment and see that there are a lot of things Palestinians can do to try and change their situation, regardless of any shitty behavior by Israel.
Hmmm, when you ethnically cleanse a group of people and show full intent and action to genocide them, I don’t see a wya out of it for Israel. Israel will go down in the books of history as a genocidal Nazi state and so the genocide deniers will not be looked kindly upon.
I think you underestimate the suffering of Palestinians and to what degree Israel has controlled their lives. Yes, things are complicated, but not this part.
So many Palestinians did everything they could to ensure peace, but Israel stops them every time. It attacks activists, kills journalists, etc. If you pretend otherwise, we both know you’d be lying.
He hired engineers from Gaza and the west bank to try and foster peace through work and his daughter was murdered on Oct 7th. He still hasn’t given up on hope.
When you asked me what I would do if 1200 of my people were killed, and I mentioned that 17 thousand of my people were killed, you immediately switched to Hamas. It’s as if you are incapable of empathy. If I was Israeli I could shove my tragedy in the face of everyone and force them to see me as a victim, but not Palestinians. My grandmother left during the Nakba, her whole hometown is now a dirty stinky Israeli settlement. And yet I cannot go to every UN resolution and demand that Israel be condemned. In fact, if I do that, I’ll probably be called antisemetic.
I think Palestinians are very much conceived as the victims today world wide. And I think they are playing that card well and I don’t blame them for that.
I didn’t want to go to “who started it” because it’s a useless debate. The cycle has been going for decades with casualties on both ends.
I’m very much capable of empathy. This whole thread is about the Israel Hamas war so I steered the discussion back to that topic.
I am very sad about the current state of affairs, there’s immense suffering on both ends and it’s not going to stop anytime soon. I don’t hate Palestinians. As an expat Israeli, every time I see a Palestinian abroad we usually become friends and naturally have more in common.
I think you’re giving too much discount for the Palestinians for their current state or affairs and make it sound like everything that happened to them was done to them by Israel only. Both you and I know that is not true. A lot of things could and should have been handled differently, the same of course can be said for Israel. So try to get out of the position for a moment and see that there are a lot of things Palestinians can do to try and change their situation, regardless of any shitty behavior by Israel.
Hmmm, when you ethnically cleanse a group of people and show full intent and action to genocide them, I don’t see a wya out of it for Israel. Israel will go down in the books of history as a genocidal Nazi state and so the genocide deniers will not be looked kindly upon.
I think you underestimate the suffering of Palestinians and to what degree Israel has controlled their lives. Yes, things are complicated, but not this part.
So many Palestinians did everything they could to ensure peace, but Israel stops them every time. It attacks activists, kills journalists, etc. If you pretend otherwise, we both know you’d be lying.
I can see you are washed with hatred, I don’t blame you.
I can tell you many stories about Israeli peace activists that were affected by all this as well, like this guy for example: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/israeli-exec-who-hired-palestinians-in-tech-boom-still-hopes-for-peace-while-mourning-slain-daughter-c8af06c8
He hired engineers from Gaza and the west bank to try and foster peace through work and his daughter was murdered on Oct 7th. He still hasn’t given up on hope.
If you only choose to hate, you continue to cycle
When you asked me what I would do if 1200 of my people were killed, and I mentioned that 17 thousand of my people were killed, you immediately switched to Hamas. It’s as if you are incapable of empathy. If I was Israeli I could shove my tragedy in the face of everyone and force them to see me as a victim, but not Palestinians. My grandmother left during the Nakba, her whole hometown is now a dirty stinky Israeli settlement. And yet I cannot go to every UN resolution and demand that Israel be condemned. In fact, if I do that, I’ll probably be called antisemetic.
I think Palestinians are very much conceived as the victims today world wide. And I think they are playing that card well and I don’t blame them for that.
I didn’t want to go to “who started it” because it’s a useless debate. The cycle has been going for decades with casualties on both ends.
I’m very much capable of empathy. This whole thread is about the Israel Hamas war so I steered the discussion back to that topic.
I am very sad about the current state of affairs, there’s immense suffering on both ends and it’s not going to stop anytime soon. I don’t hate Palestinians. As an expat Israeli, every time I see a Palestinian abroad we usually become friends and naturally have more in common.
I think Palestinians are the victims of systemic Israeli oppression and I think people who deny that are either genocide deniers or uninformed.