Calls are growing for the UN Security Council to be reformed after the US became the only member to use its veto power to block a Gaza ceasefire resolution, a move welcomed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The UN chief says he will keep pushing for peace.

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      Fucking liar.

      https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.pdf

      Article two. Read it, and go silent until you grow a brain, a conscience, or both.

      Russia explicitly, openly, and repeatedly states that they desire elimination of Ukrainian nation. Their official stance, repeated by their president and all the state media is that Ukraine and Ukrainians either don’t exist or are a “historical mistake”. Whether they target the entire nation or just the parts they can reach is of no import for the definition of genocide.

      In fact, Russia ticks off all five definitions in article two and least points a), c), and d) of article three in Ukraine alone.

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        I think it’s a valid point that Russia’s actions aren’t driven by racism anywhere as much as Israel’s actions, which in turns gets reflected in the proportion of the civilian population killed by both: Israel already killed way more Palestinian civilians in 2 months as a proportion of the 5 million population, than Russia killed Ukranians civilians in 2 years as a proportion of a population of 40 million.

        This doesn’t excuse Russian actions or make them any less evil, it just shows how Israel is managing to act significantly more evil even than even the people who perpetrated the Bucha and Mariupoli massacres.

        Fascists when they have the freedom to do what they want are always evil and it shouldn’t be that contentious that the more racist they are, the more evil they act.

        It’s weird that some here insist on taking the point being made as being “Russia is not evil” rather than being that “Israel manages to be even more evil than Russia”.

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          Racism has nothing to do with casualty numbers discrepancy. Gaza Strip is a densely populated area.

          Genocide is not a competition, it’s a crime against humanity. I don’t care whether Israel or Russia does it better, I care that both state actors are reveling in it.

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            They are knowingly chosing to do a blockade of Food, Water and Medicine which they know has little effect on Hamas (who have stores of those things) and massive effect on civilians.

            Also it has been leaked that now, when their casualty estimation systems give a high probability that 5 or more innocent victims will be killed as collateral when attacking a target, they go ahead and attack it anyway, when before they didn’t.

            They are choosing to kill Palestinian civilians, the very people who members of the Israeli Cabinet describe as “human animals”.

            Would you have said “Genocide is not a competition” to dismiss the similar hate-driven indiscriminate killing of civilians because of the etnic group they came from practiced by the early Nazi Germany, or would you recognize that is the type mindless hate is what ends up with things like the Holocaust and that such race-Fascism is an altogether separate category from the opportunistic kind of Fascism practiced in places like Spain and Italy?

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              Russia’s goal is absolutely the total elimination of all Ukrainians – they want Ukraine to cease to exist, consumed by them. They thus eliminate all Ukrainians by instead forcing them to be Russian citizens.

              And honestly? I don’t think that’s Israel’s goal, because they don’t seem to have a goal. It’s just senseless and directionless violence and. To me it looks more like them lashing out because they can. Just like Russia with Ukraine, they want Palestine to cease to exist and all Palestinians to either become Israeli or be exiled. The settler program makes that much obvious.

              It’s not a super big distinction though, frankly. Sure Israel isn’t methodically killing every Palestinian, but they sure as hell don’t care about how many Palestinians die. Again, just like Russia with Ukrainians. The goal isn’t an organized campaign of ethnic cleansing, but more the total consumption of the land, no matter how many Palestinians or Ukrainians die.

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                Israel’s goal is to end Hamas as a concept, and destroy their infrastructure and resources so they do not have a viable successor

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                  They aren’t doing a great job of it. The wanton killing is just making things worse. To truly defeat terrorism they need to invest in the civil government of Gaza and build it up. Otherwise there’s always going to be someone to replace Hamas, unfortunately.

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                    I would definitely have prosecuted this war differently, yes.

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          You had two options: read one damn sentence or insist on being a tool.

          Of course you chose the latter.

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              Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

              The first bloody page. The article you were asked to read.

              But what could I expect from someone who thinks genocide is a competition that one could lose if someone else did it better…

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      “Forced assimilation” is one way to commit genocide. Another is through holocaust. The Holocaust happened to be genocide via holocaust. Gaza happens to be genocide via holocaust. The definition of genocide doesn’t require it be committed via holocaust.

      Edit: fixed an autoincorrect

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        Giza happens to be genocide via holocaust. The definition of genocide doesn’t require it be committed via holocaust.

        The Pharoah must step in!

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          And the award for the clueless, most unnecessary joke, goes to you. You do understand that not everything requires a shitty take at humor? Your comment brings nothing to the thread, OP has already fixed their mistake. Why are you here?

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      and then want to assimilate the Ukrainians into their country

      Textbook genocide. The erasure of a group of people is genocide. That can be done by:

      • Ethnic cleansing and mass killings (as demonstrated by piles of bodies in Mariupol I believe, as well as mobile crematoriums)

      • Kidnapping the group’s children (again, loudly and proudly admitted to by Russia) to deny the future of the group

      • Forcible assimilation by preventing the group from practicing it’s culture and identity (as demonstrated by Putin saying Ukraine is actually Russian because it’s historically part of the Russian empire)

      There’s one more, that I pray isn’t being used and I think we’d have heard if it was. Rape can be used as a weapon of war to force the group to give birth to your children, and deny their future in that way. To my knowledge Russia does not have a campaign to do so with Ukrainians, thank God.

      A lot of the tactics Russia is using aren’t new either, look into Russification by the USSR to Eastern Europe. They would envelop states into the USSR after purposely growing a Russian population there with settlers. This is the big reason why Eastern Europe tends to hate Russia.

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        as demonstrated by Putin saying Ukraine is actually Russian because it’s historically part of the Russian empire

        Funny that he says “Russian Empire”, because Russia hasn’t been an Empire since Tsar Nicholas II. Is he trying to go back to those days, like try to install himself as Tsar?

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      Israel wants to kill all the people living on the land and replace them with their own race.

      If that was a thing they actually wanted, they’d be doing a really shitty job of it.

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        Nah they’re doing pretty great at it. Maybe a little too fast this time, normally they’re better at taking the land and killing people slow enough to give the US and other Western allies some plausible deniability, but since no one is stopping them still, you can’t even hold that against them.