Israel committed so much more heinous atrocities I honestly give no fuck that an oppressed people have a terrorist group lashing out using a hospital as a base.
Israel lied about the sexual assault and baby mutilations, they are ar performing genocide and they’ve oppressed these people for generations.
If my two options are terrorists doing a genocide and terrorists doing a war crime (because of you know the genocide they’re facing and decades of oppression)
all of the fucking Israelis who support him, because a lot of them do
I can read just fine. you’re just coming off murdery.
Just how many people do you want to kill? The 120 on Likud’s parliamentary list? Their 100k registered members? The 1,115,049 voters who voted for them in the last election? Or just the 15% of Israelis who think Bibi should stay as Prime Minister after the war is over?
The total number of Palestinians killed in Gaza since October 7 now stands at 22,185, while at least 57,000 have been injured, the Ministry of Health said on Tuesday.
Those who contribute to this.
But go on call me the genocider for wanting punishment for crimes against humanity.
You make it sound like Hezbollah are good guys. They’re terrorists.
Palestinians rejected every offer of peace they’ve been given and made up excuses along the way to perpetrate terrorist attacks. If they truly wanted peace they could have had it a dozen times over by now. But Palestinian suffering is a convenient excuse for antisemitism - using antizionism as a shield (“I only hate those jews over there, and anyone who happens to support their ongoing existence”)
It matters because one of the charges leveled against Israel is that they bombed a hospital just to genocide Palestinian babies. Clearly, Hamas was using said babies as human shields, which is a war crime. Now the shoe is on the other foot and Hamas apologists don’t like it, so now you just say it doesn’t matter, lol.
Nope the shoe literally cannot be on the other foot.
Israel funded Hamas.
Israel has developed this culture in Gaza because of the treatment of Palestinians.
Israel has far more money and resources.
So the instigator with more money/power in the situation causing a genocide after decades of racial abuse gets no pass that shoe cannot go anywhere else
All of Hamas’ actions are only happening because of Israel. Sorry
It’s probably true that Netanyahu funded Hamas for cynical reasons. The Israeli right-wing coalition definitely needs to go. But you can’t justify Hamas terrorism againsr civilians because the Palestinian people are angry and oppressed. Hamas has agency. They aren’t some inexorable force of history. They choose to be terrorists. Hamas was already a radical terrorist organization in its own right, and was duly elected by the people of Gaza as such. Fuck those raping terrorists.
All this back-and-forth revenge is, of course, just a vicious cycle and shouldn’t continue. But I am a little tired of this faulty reasoning that Israel is the bad guy just because they are more powerful. Palestinians and Israelis have both done things to provoke violence and both sides have, at various times, rejected peace and compromise. But Hamas is unambiguously a terrorist group that stokes division and whose sole purpose is to eliminate Israel. Hamas is a barrier to peace and will get no sympathy from me.
Israel is the bad guy because they are more powerful.
You refer to Hamas as rapists but not the IDF? You don’t mention the bold land grabs and settling of Palestinian land.
Israel is a terrorist group. They aren’t treated as such because they are a Nation, they’re only a nation because that isn’t their land other people lived there first.
You literally touch on every reason why Israel is the first to blame yet refuse to commit to blaming them. When Israel faces consequences then we can talk about Hamas until then it is their fault.
This is not a zero tolerance bullshit school fight. Israel punched first and second and third and forth while having more money and resources and legal power over Palestinians. Hamas wouldn’t exist in this way without Israel.
No. Absolutely no to everything you said. When Bibi swings from the gallows we can tear apart Hamas all we want. Until then you play into the bully’s hand.
they’re only a nation because that isn’t their land other people lived there first.
That is true of every nation. Literally everyone lives on land that was occupied by some other tribe in the past. The really ironic thing about saying that the Palestinians were there “first” is that the UN used precisely that originalist doctrine to justify creating Israel for the Jews in the first place!
Sorry, I don’t understand what you are trying to say. How are Israel, Canada and America different from Britain and China? And how do the Irish fit into it?
Nice ignoring of the point that the Jewish were there first being the rational for creating Jewish settlements there to begin with.
For the inevitable downvoters, regardless of who is to blame it’s important that those of us discussing this attempt to understand the point the other is making even if we disagree with it.
From what I see in this conversation there’s one person putting their points across reasonably and there’s another throwing whatever cards they have randomly at the board.
Lol what does this matter?
Israel committed so much more heinous atrocities I honestly give no fuck that an oppressed people have a terrorist group lashing out using a hospital as a base.
Israel lied about the sexual assault and baby mutilations, they are ar performing genocide and they’ve oppressed these people for generations.
Fuck Israel
You’re rooting for terrorists operating from hospitals.
I am in shock that you think this is defensible.
You’re rooting for terrorists performing genocide
If my two options are terrorists doing a genocide and terrorists doing a war crime (because of you know the genocide they’re facing and decades of oppression)
It easily makes sense why.
I don’t support Hamas, the only group actively and openly pursuing genocide in this conflict.
Then you don’t know history of this conflict at all and should probably learn.
The irony of this comment is palpable.
Do you believe that Israel needs to be violently destroyed? Because it kinda sounds like that’s your position.
Bibi and his gang sure definitely and all of the fucking Israelis who support him, because a lot of them do.
Go on call me antisemitic
I’ll just call you genocidal. You’re advocating the violent death of a large group of people based on their national origin and political belief.
Where? I clearly said Bibi and his goons and those that support him. Are you unable to read?
I can read just fine. you’re just coming off murdery.
Just how many people do you want to kill? The 120 on Likud’s parliamentary list? Their 100k registered members? The 1,115,049 voters who voted for them in the last election? Or just the 15% of Israelis who think Bibi should stay as Prime Minister after the war is over?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/2/israeli-bombardment-ongoing-as-death-toll-surpasses-22000
Those who contribute to this.
But go on call me the genocider for wanting punishment for crimes against humanity.
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So you don’t think there’s any possible peaceful solution? Only the violent destruction of Israel?
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You make it sound like Hezbollah are good guys. They’re terrorists.
Palestinians rejected every offer of peace they’ve been given and made up excuses along the way to perpetrate terrorist attacks. If they truly wanted peace they could have had it a dozen times over by now. But Palestinian suffering is a convenient excuse for antisemitism - using antizionism as a shield (“I only hate those jews over there, and anyone who happens to support their ongoing existence”)
what a dumb thing to say.
You saying the invading, genocide causing Israelis are good guys then?
Bibi and his bitches are terrorists you fuckin idiot lol
Imagine thinking Putin or Kim aren’t terrorists because they run a country. Just go be stupid somewhere else
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For your convenience:
https://imeu.org/article/plan-dalet
https://forward.com/news/470923/israel-land-conquest-1967-occupation-six-day-war-plans/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law#Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_prisoners_in_Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests
https://www.hrw.org/report/2019/12/17/born-without-civil-rights/israels-use-draconian-military-orders-repress
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/
https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Cablegram_from_the_Secretary-General_of_the_League_of_Arab_States_to_the_Secretary-General_of_the_United_Nations
https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/palestinian-arab-congresses
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/middle-east/israel-palestine-one-state-solution
https://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/examining-myths-israel/
https://theintercept.com/2023/11/28/israel-palestine-history-peace
They’re not rooting for the terrorists. When is rooting the same as not giving a fuck?
I think they’re saying that Israel has gone so far overboard that they can’t find a good enough excuse to justify their actions.
It matters because one of the charges leveled against Israel is that they bombed a hospital just to genocide Palestinian babies. Clearly, Hamas was using said babies as human shields, which is a war crime. Now the shoe is on the other foot and Hamas apologists don’t like it, so now you just say it doesn’t matter, lol.
Nope the shoe literally cannot be on the other foot.
Israel funded Hamas.
Israel has developed this culture in Gaza because of the treatment of Palestinians.
Israel has far more money and resources.
So the instigator with more money/power in the situation causing a genocide after decades of racial abuse gets no pass that shoe cannot go anywhere else
All of Hamas’ actions are only happening because of Israel. Sorry
It’s probably true that Netanyahu funded Hamas for cynical reasons. The Israeli right-wing coalition definitely needs to go. But you can’t justify Hamas terrorism againsr civilians because the Palestinian people are angry and oppressed. Hamas has agency. They aren’t some inexorable force of history. They choose to be terrorists. Hamas was already a radical terrorist organization in its own right, and was duly elected by the people of Gaza as such. Fuck those raping terrorists.
All this back-and-forth revenge is, of course, just a vicious cycle and shouldn’t continue. But I am a little tired of this faulty reasoning that Israel is the bad guy just because they are more powerful. Palestinians and Israelis have both done things to provoke violence and both sides have, at various times, rejected peace and compromise. But Hamas is unambiguously a terrorist group that stokes division and whose sole purpose is to eliminate Israel. Hamas is a barrier to peace and will get no sympathy from me.
Israel is the bad guy because they are more powerful.
You refer to Hamas as rapists but not the IDF? You don’t mention the bold land grabs and settling of Palestinian land.
Israel is a terrorist group. They aren’t treated as such because they are a Nation, they’re only a nation because that isn’t their land other people lived there first.
You literally touch on every reason why Israel is the first to blame yet refuse to commit to blaming them. When Israel faces consequences then we can talk about Hamas until then it is their fault.
This is not a zero tolerance bullshit school fight. Israel punched first and second and third and forth while having more money and resources and legal power over Palestinians. Hamas wouldn’t exist in this way without Israel.
No. Absolutely no to everything you said. When Bibi swings from the gallows we can tear apart Hamas all we want. Until then you play into the bully’s hand.
That is true of every nation. Literally everyone lives on land that was occupied by some other tribe in the past. The really ironic thing about saying that the Palestinians were there “first” is that the UN used precisely that originalist doctrine to justify creating Israel for the Jews in the first place!
So you understand then why Israel is fully to blame?
Everyone does live on some other tribes land. But Israel, America, Canada are different than British and Chinese history in that way.
This is modern day. Those things are still felt. Hell the Irish still feel how the British treated them.
Sorry, I don’t understand what you are trying to say. How are Israel, Canada and America different from Britain and China? And how do the Irish fit into it?
Imperialism
Nice ignoring of the point that the Jewish were there first being the rational for creating Jewish settlements there to begin with.
For the inevitable downvoters, regardless of who is to blame it’s important that those of us discussing this attempt to understand the point the other is making even if we disagree with it.
From what I see in this conversation there’s one person putting their points across reasonably and there’s another throwing whatever cards they have randomly at the board.
Nice ignoring of the point that
the Jewish were there first being the rational for creating Jewish settlements there to begin with.THERE’S A GENOCIDE HAPPENING BOB.
Nothing else fucking matters beyond that. Once that fucking stops we can play these games. Otherwise you’re just pearl clutching and arguing semantics