In early December, images circulated worldwide showing dozens of Palestinian men in the city of Beit Lahiya, in the northern Gaza Strip, who were stripped to their underwear, kneeling or sitting hunched over, then blindfolded and put into the back of Israeli military trucks like cattle. The vast majority of these detainees were civilians with no affiliation to Hamas, Israeli security officials later confirmed, and the men were taken away by the army without notifying their families of the detainees’ whereabouts. Some of them never returned.
+972 Magazine and Local Call spoke with four Palestinian civilians who appeared in these photos, or were arrested near the scene and taken to Israeli military detention centers, where they were held for several days or even weeks before being released back to Gaza. Their testimonies — along with 49 video testimonies published by various Arabic media outlets of Palestinians arrested in similar circumstances in recent weeks in the northern districts of Zeitoun, Jabalia, and Shuja’iya — indicate systematic abuse and torture by Israeli soldiers against all of the detainees, civilians and combatants alike.
According to these testimonies, Israeli soldiers subjected Palestinian detainees to electric shocks, burned their skin with lighters, spat in their mouths, and deprived them of sleep, food, and access to bathrooms until they defecated on themselves. Many were tied to a fence for hours, handcuffed, and blindfolded for most of the day. Some testified to having been beaten all over their bodies and having cigarettes extinguished on their necks or backs. Several people are known to have died as a result of being held in these conditions.
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I mean, we could all see this behavior prior to this latest conflict. So many videos of IDF gleefully beating down / gassing / shoving guns in faces of clearly civilians on their own property, on religious sites, on public streets, etc.
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They’ve been doing that for decades. This is nothing new, it’s just in the public eye now.
Why should they bother with outdated gas chambers when there is a free inflow of innumerous artillery shells, strike jets, tank shells, rockets and such for all that time. Just hurl the free boomball and don’t worry about anything.
Yeah, one of the reasons Nazis resorted to gas chambers was that they needed all the ammo to fight a war.
Soon they’ll have a very original idea to win their righteous war, an idea they’ll call the final solution
Every nation has their own Nazis.
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I wish we as humankind could learn from past mistakes. What I meant was I think in every nation, there’s a number of people who are born or raised capable of doing Nazi shit or having a nazi mindset or opinions. I don’t think we can change this fact. We need to build social mechanisms to make it hard or impossible for the nazis among us to get mainstream. But overall, I don’t think it’s surprizing that any nation has a tendency to genocide. It’s there in human nature and people as groups are much more stupid and harder to regulate than individuals.
Are we the baddies?
yes
More fucking war crimes. Anyone defending this is defending genocide.
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Good luck with genocide Trump… If you think he’d give two shits you’re kidding yourself
They didn’t mentioned trump in their post.
Cool so vote for someone who doesn’t endorse genocide.
Oh gee I love splitting the votes between democrat nominee and a leftist nominee. Since I love doing this trump wins because there’s no ranked choice voting and trump gets enough votes! Wahoo!
Solution.
You also vote for the leftist nominee.
Why is it time and time again that leftists are the ones who have to abandon their ethics to back your candidates?
America is nearly in the full grasp of fascism because you keep choosing the lesser of two evils instead of not choosing evil.
Such as?
Damn not one person in America doesn’t support genocide.
Our choices are an insurrectionist who wants to overturn American democracy and turn it into a dictatorship, a genocide supporter who is pretty good otherwise, or a nepotistic vaccine denier, a.k.a supporter of genocide of Americas via COVID. At this point I’d vote for anyone pro-choice, pro-democracy, and anti-genocide - regardless of party. Too bad no one running currently fits those criteria.
Damn, literally nobody.
Personally I’d say Cornell West is your best running choice, but really if you tried I’m sure you could find someone better.
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Says the Tankie. Your comment history is damning.
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Right wing trolls out in force on lemmy.
Right wing trolls telling people to not vote for a right winger?
Suuure bud.
That slander is predicated on the idea that there is a mainstream Left in the US, which is laughable if you’re even the least informed about politics in the remaining 95% (by population) of the World beyond that self-referential bubble called America.
I feel for you guys having been born in a country with a power duopoly and were elections are performative rather than votes having genuine power to set the direction of the nation, but that mindless slogan that not wanting to vote for a guy shipping bombs and artillery rounds to the XXI century Nazis who are murdering in mass the members of the etnic group that live in the ghetto the created and militarilly control next door, is beyond ridiculous.
I can understand the pain of being a tribalist who discovers the Chief of their tribe is a Nazi-lover and of trying to believe America is a Democratic and Free country all the while the only two people you’re allowed to select to lead your nation are Nazi-lovers (in a country of 350 million people, were I’m sure there are millions of perfectly competent president-material citizens who are not Nazi-lovers), but lets not try and solve those mental and emotional inconsistencies in your mind and your hearth (assuming you’re not a Nazi-lover yourself) with ridiculous sloganeering implying that those pointing that your tribe is led by a Nazi-lover hence you’re supporting Nazis if you stand with them, are doing so because they’re Nazi-lovers.
Yes, you are right wing. Apartheid supporters tend to be.
Aw I have a fan. Or did you forget to change accounts?
For the rest of the readers here: I have a long history of openly condemning Israeli apartheid. You will not find me defending religious extremists in any context, and I will always condemn mass violence.
These people who believe that Trump will liberate Gaza are trolls engaged in an organized campaign to get people to not vote for Biden.
Yer I do think there maybe some, but they could so just be a bit crazy. I gave up trying to reason with them. Though the ones I was debating thought they could not vote Biden and be blameless if they got Trump.
Why would I change accounts? I just love how your one conclusion is that all left opposition to the Democrats support for genocide is secret right wing trolls. I can’t get enough of mocking you for your supporting such shitty, shitty people.
also it should go without saying but fuck trump too, Every US president is a criminal and should be prosecuted for warcrimes.
You got anything productive to say or you just gonna bitch?
Yeah, every fucking “progressive democrat” needs to learn the word “ceasefire” real fast or they’re fucking dead to me for every future election.
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I know that Israel is often cited as a client state, but it’s better described as a psuedoclient state. The entirety of NATO could cut off Israel entirely tomorrow, and it wouldn’t have any material impact on their capabilities. It would probably be enough international pressure, but Israel’s military would be capable of maintaining it’s genocide in roughly same capacity as it is now. Biden is culpable, but he’s not complicit.
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They learned the SS handbook really well.
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They just had more time to practice than Nazi Germany did.
THey’re not there… yet
I think it is more about blackmail and control the biggest military in the world.
For anyone wondering if this site is credible, it is
Doing the lords work
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What is meaningful, is what I want to know.
I recommend Man’s Search for Meaning, by Viktor Frankl. I can’t say I’ve figured it out, personally.
According to testimonies, the soldiers ordered all the men to undress, gathered them in one place, and took the photos that were later disseminated on social media (senior Israeli officials have since chided the soldiers for sharing the images).
It’s very telling that the officials only have a problem with the evidence of their war crimes.
How tf is the US still supporting these sub-human pieces of shit. Holy fuck, Biden is just letting this happen. They’ve taken what could be called as an open area prison and fully converted it to a concentration camp. I said it last night, they won’t stop until the entire state of Gaza is dead. They talk about their vision for a post war Gaza and it’s essentially just Israeli occupation “until they see fit” and there will be “no speaking out or hostility towards Israel of any kind.” At best it’s a dictatorship, and at worst a fucking death camp.
The most terrifying part of this is that no one there is sub-human. The people doing these horrible horrible things are exactly as human as you and me and that’s mortifyingly agonizing to me. I really really wish we lived in a world where the worst of monsters weren’t human, even if it was just a little not human, but that’s just not our world.
This is exactly what propaganda does, spreading misinformation, dehumanizing the people on the other side, spreading hatred and so on and unfortunately normal people can easily fall on that and start seeing the others as subhuman species.
The same with the Nazis. A lot of them were just regular citizens who were subjected to a lot of propaganda and at some point all of the atrocities they were doing were normalised in their eyes.
I’m with you for all this. But let’s not be like them. Let’s not dehumanize them like they do their victims. They’re very human. Shitty humans. But definitely human.
Fair enough. You’re right.
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Biden isn’t letting this happen, he’s actively supporting it.
How tf is the US still supporting these sub-human pieces of shit
yeah how tf is the US still supporting their politicians
They learned it from US. Does nobody remember Abu Graib? Guantanamo Bay?
For those who think US Army is above this kind of torture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
Or maybe armies just perpetuate this shitty behaviour by default because it’s by design.
Defining it as a feature doesn’t excuse it.
Defining it as a feature would dispel the myth of there being an ethical way to incarcerate/indefinitely detain people. The “bad apples” argument tries to put forward an idea that something bad is actually fine. It’s only bad in ‘this instance’ because these people are bad/immoral/incompetent.
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I think the only way this can end is similar to South Africa. International pressure needs to end the current governance of Israel as an apartheid state and a new state with equal rights for all Palestinians, including all the refugees, and Israeli citizens needs to be created in its place.
True. But i would add the extra detail that all the land stolen from Palestinians by Israel should be returned.
In South Africa that wasn’t done. We had land and a house that my grandfather built up by himself in what is now one the most expensive suburbs in Cape Town. That land was stolen from us and never returned.
And it hurts so much everytime we have to go past there because there are rich white folks living there now. And we know we’ll never be able to afford that land now no matter how hard we work. Now we struggle to even leave a home for our children to inherit.
I don’t want that happening to the Palestinians again.
I completely agree. Palestinians need reparations for their land and valuables stolen in the ethnic cleansing campaign and the generations of trauma they have been subjected to since. If they can’t or don’t want their old land/home, they need additional reparations for their new one (for example if they want to live in a different area)
That’s… Not what happened. Both Israel and Palestine have long historical precedence, and tumultuous ownership claims. They were ultimately created by Britain post-WW2, who then bowed out after a year with very little planning. Don’t add your country’s baggage to an already complex reality. It’s not true, and it’s not going to help you understand what’s going on over there.
The settlers (aka colonolialist thieves and murderers) are literally killing, maiming, torturing Palestinians on their own land in the West Bank. Driving them out of their own houses, lands and farms. The Israeli army stands by and watches this. If any Palestinian tries to fight back against the settlers in the process of stealing their land they are maimed and/or murdered. And this is only in the West Bank where land theft and murder by the Israelis is still happening to this day. It doesn’t include any of the other clear land theft that had taken place in historic Palestine by the Israelis.
Now tell me that is not similar to the Apartheid police force breaking into houses in your area and telling you to move or be murdered, because your property now belongs the Apartheid state that is going to parcel it out to the white Apartheid supporting citizens.
Finding similarities between the atrocities commited by the Apartheid South African government and the Apartheid Israeli government is not adding my country’s baggage to a complex reality. A lot can be learnt by looking back at similar atrocities commited in the past and the repercussions of that, whay was learnt, etc.
Also an important point is that because of experiencing a similar repression of my people, parents, grandparents, and living through the tail end of that repression, i have empathy and some understanding of what the Palestinians are going through. I can’t claim to know exactly how they’re feeling but i do have some idea.
I have been campaigning in South Africa for Palestinian rights and self determination since i was a young teenager with my peers and my parents. I have been aware of the history, geopolitics and reality of the situation of the Palestinians since then. I have a pretty decent understanding of what is going on over there.
I misinterpreted your original post, but re-reading it now I agree. I was reacting to the common idea in this thread that Israel doesn’t have any right to exist – which is complicated, as all post-colonial history is. That wasn’t what you were commenting on, though. Israel is definitely encroaching on Palestinian land and rights in Gaza and the West Bank, and are at least half of the force against real peaceful solutions. I fully agree that what’s going on now should be classified a genocide, and as far as I know South Africa is the only country that has stated it.
It’s amazing the damage wrought in the wake of colonialism. Both Palestine/Israel and South Africa have suffered tremendously from colonizers deciding they knew what (and who) was best.
It’s no problem. Maybe i can also be more clear too in the future when replying.
It’s true that the Israeli citizens and the Palestinian citizens will have to be involved in a common solution. It will be very bitter, especially for the Palestinians, but one has to move forward
I’m Israeli. I was born and raised here, in a city that never existed before pre-Israel pioneers established it. I also voted against the current shitshow of a government.
Where do you expect me to go exactly?
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Nope. The land was purchased from previous land owners. You can read about the city here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra'anana
Forcing the people of Israel to relocate would be a war crime in itself.
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I understand disliking the establishment of Israel at the expense of Palestinians and Palestinian land. As a state, they revolt me. But forced removal of Israelis would be Genocide by definition. War crimes by Israel don’t justify commiting crimes against the Israeli populace.
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No, they were not.
If we were only talking about the people who originally colonized the area you’d have a point. But we’re not, so you’re just talking about ethnic cleansing and collective punishment of a civilian population. If you think crimes against humanity are the way to resolve conflicts, you’d fit right in with the leadership of Hamas or Likud.
How about we offer them the option, and if they refuse - bury them under the 70 years of Palestinian graves that they created.
Fuck off outta here with your “war crime to relocate them” shit. Israel is a made-up country that relies on money greasing the right pockets to exist. It’s time to dissolve it.
You’re just as bad as they are.
Inside camp
Picture was taken outside
Fun fact: sometimes people erect barbed wire fences around the external location where they store their torture victims and call that inside a camp and also outdoors/outside.
Another example would be large parts of the concentration camps along the southern US border.
You think that’s not inside the camp? Are you expecting it to be like your church camp? With cabins and running showers, with beds and a fireplace outside where they can have some roasted marshmallows?
Jesus Christ, what a goddamn dumbass.
I’m just glad this is a reliable source! 927mag.com is truth as everyone always says
I’m assuming this is your snark, knowing your posting history. I’ve caught you three times spreading Israeli disinformation.
Just so everyone knows, this site’s credibility is high.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/972-magazine/
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: Israel
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MODERATE FREEDOM
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Minimal Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY
I really hope you’re not trying to spread more Israeli disinformation.
Is that sarcasm? Sorry, I can’t tell if it is or not. If you don’t think so, can you link sources of 927mag lying or fabricating stories? I haven’t found any evidence of them not being credible, quite the opposite from what I can tell
