Switzerland’s main Jewish organization has denounced an antisemitic sign put up at a local ski shop near Davos, barring Jews from renting equipment from the store.
Did the article say the annoying events were because of anything the Jews did? It does seem to indicate that antisemitism has been rising across Europe since October 7th. It also appears to be spreading to this thread.
Look, man. Obviously not every Israeli tourist is bad. However, the article is specifically about a response to Israeli tourists being bad, and protests by Jews calling the (obviously inappropriate) response anti-Semitism. If you read that, and your first thought is, “Well, the sign didn’t specifically say it was an Israeli tourist who stole the bike… clearly everyone is just jumping to conclusions because they’re racist!”, I think you need to take a step back and look at the whole situation.
What makes more sense? 1) Israeli tourists cause problems in shop, including stealing a sled. Shop owner posts sign banning Israeli tourists from the shop. Or 2) Some random non-Israeli causes problems in the shop, shop owner bans Israeli tourists because for unrelated reasons?
Obviously we don’t know, because the shop owner didn’t respond to their request for comment. However, based on the information we’ve been given, elementary school level reading comprehension suggests that situation (1) is the correct one.
Pointing that out isn’t anti-Semitism, but if you come into a thread specifically expecting and searching for anti-Semitism, you’re going to see it everywhere, and I think that’s what’s happening here.
The term ‘Jewish’ referring to both the followers of the religion and people of Hebrew descent in general makes it very hard (for me, at least) to keep track of a conversation like this, and any inaccuracies in usage of any related terms is a product of personal ignorance about the nuances of the words, not an attempt at veiled racism.
That said, the sign said ‘our Jewish brothers’, and didn’t actually mention Israel at all; the presumption that it’s referring to Israeli tourists is only mentioned later. Whether it was referring to Israelis in general, or orthodox jews as mentioned later in the article, we can only guess, but I don’t think it really matters, as either way, it’s discriminatory. I’m certainly not defending his response to the situation.
If you read the article you notice the investigation into the sign but nowhere do you see a report made of the stolen sled only an allegation by the owner. Not saying it didn’t happen but which makes more sense, you guys are seeing what you want to see or your being foolish? your choice?
Given the owner could not be reached for comment, all the article has to go on is his sign. I’m choosing to assume he experienced a sleight that prompted (inappropriate) action on his part, and you’re (apparently) choosing to assume he made the whole thing up just because he hates Jews and wanted to ban them from his shop.
I’m perfectly happy to change my view on this when the shop owner’s account comes out if it proves warranted, but I’ll point out that the article did not comment on the veracity of the claim at all, and if it could have been reasonably proven illegitimate, I assume it would have.
I don’t think either of our positions here are wholly unreasonable, but I do think that trying to claim anti-Semitism any time anyone has a critical opinion of anyone from Israel, you’re diluting the term and generally making it meaningless.
Edit: To be clear, I’m specifically referring to you calling me an anti-Semite because of my read of an article, not the assumption that the shop owner is an anti-Semite because of a ridiculous sign.
Trotzdem bleibt er dabei, dass die jüdischen Gäste oft ihre Schlitten stehen lassen und nicht zurückbringen. „Wir wollen den täglichen Ärger nicht mehr und machen darum von unserem Recht Gebrauch, zu entscheiden, wer unser Eigentum mieten kann und wer nicht.“
For everyones sanity, just google it next time. The owner says in another article about it that several jewish customers did not return the sleds after renting them but just abandoned them when they were done sledding. Renting and not returning something constitutes theft.
Leaving a sled on a mountainside is rude but it is far short of theft. Tell you what. go to the police station there and report it as such and I bet you get a swift kick in the ass. Did the shop owner report the “theft?”
Did the article say the annoying events were because of anything the Jews did? It does seem to indicate that antisemitism has been rising across Europe since October 7th. It also appears to be spreading to this thread.
I mean, I think it’s heavily implied by the context, such that any reasonable reader would make that assumption…
Ass-u-me.
Right?
Implied so that any reader with an antisemitic bent would make the assumption. And look, you did…
Look, man. Obviously not every Israeli tourist is bad. However, the article is specifically about a response to Israeli tourists being bad, and protests by Jews calling the (obviously inappropriate) response anti-Semitism. If you read that, and your first thought is, “Well, the sign didn’t specifically say it was an Israeli tourist who stole the bike… clearly everyone is just jumping to conclusions because they’re racist!”, I think you need to take a step back and look at the whole situation.
What makes more sense? 1) Israeli tourists cause problems in shop, including stealing a sled. Shop owner posts sign banning Israeli tourists from the shop. Or 2) Some random non-Israeli causes problems in the shop, shop owner bans Israeli tourists because for unrelated reasons?
Obviously we don’t know, because the shop owner didn’t respond to their request for comment. However, based on the information we’ve been given, elementary school level reading comprehension suggests that situation (1) is the correct one.
Pointing that out isn’t anti-Semitism, but if you come into a thread specifically expecting and searching for anti-Semitism, you’re going to see it everywhere, and I think that’s what’s happening here.
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The term ‘Jewish’ referring to both the followers of the religion and people of Hebrew descent in general makes it very hard (for me, at least) to keep track of a conversation like this, and any inaccuracies in usage of any related terms is a product of personal ignorance about the nuances of the words, not an attempt at veiled racism.
That said, the sign said ‘our Jewish brothers’, and didn’t actually mention Israel at all; the presumption that it’s referring to Israeli tourists is only mentioned later. Whether it was referring to Israelis in general, or orthodox jews as mentioned later in the article, we can only guess, but I don’t think it really matters, as either way, it’s discriminatory. I’m certainly not defending his response to the situation.
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If you read the article you notice the investigation into the sign but nowhere do you see a report made of the stolen sled only an allegation by the owner. Not saying it didn’t happen but which makes more sense, you guys are seeing what you want to see or your being foolish? your choice?
Given the owner could not be reached for comment, all the article has to go on is his sign. I’m choosing to assume he experienced a sleight that prompted (inappropriate) action on his part, and you’re (apparently) choosing to assume he made the whole thing up just because he hates Jews and wanted to ban them from his shop.
I’m perfectly happy to change my view on this when the shop owner’s account comes out if it proves warranted, but I’ll point out that the article did not comment on the veracity of the claim at all, and if it could have been reasonably proven illegitimate, I assume it would have.
I don’t think either of our positions here are wholly unreasonable, but I do think that trying to claim anti-Semitism any time anyone has a critical opinion of anyone from Israel, you’re diluting the term and generally making it meaningless.
Edit: To be clear, I’m specifically referring to you calling me an anti-Semite because of my read of an article, not the assumption that the shop owner is an anti-Semite because of a ridiculous sign.
Incorrect. You are choosing to assume while I am NOTand to turn a phrase, we all know what happens when we assume, don’t we?
But you are assuming, you’re just mincing words. You’re taking a stance on something the article does not explicitly state. That is an assumption.
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Nope.
For everyones sanity, just google it next time. The owner says in another article about it that several jewish customers did not return the sleds after renting them but just abandoned them when they were done sledding. Renting and not returning something constitutes theft.
Leaving a sled on a mountainside is rude but it is far short of theft. Tell you what. go to the police station there and report it as such and I bet you get a swift kick in the ass. Did the shop owner report the “theft?”
Why don’t you google that instead of just assuming and having other people do the work for you to disprove you?
You didn’t prove anything, There was no theft.