• lemmyvore@feddit.nl
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    1 year ago

    But it’s the job of the citizenry to stand up to this stuff, not the state.

    So what’s the state for?

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      Regulate an economy, maintain a border (meaning this is our stuff and everything outside the border is not it isn’t necessarily manning a border), and enforce laws. That’s the three basic tasks of any government.

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          Those are optional. The three things I listed are the basic requirements for all governments.

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              If you take intro to poli sci literally anywhere in the world this is part of your first lesson. The three things listed are what makes a government a government. Kenya has no space program and is still a government.

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                There are many schools of thought on what a government is for or should do and most people do not ascribe to the notions you are presenting as fact.

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                  The three things listed are what every single nation state does. There is zero debate on this and it would be nonsensical to suggest otherwise.

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                    It doesn’t matter what you think. Governments are expected and set up to do much more than that around the world and that’s because that’s what their intents are. It’s not just those three things. If what you said was true, we’d have had no meaningful progress on anything.

                    You can deny it all you want, denial ain’t just a river in Egypt

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        This doesn’t define what a properly constituted government is though. Any government can prevent other worse governments from forming, all they need to do is massacre their citizens and there will be nobody left to form a government.