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    Many of the concessions the government asked of TikTok look eerily similar to the surveillance tactics critics have accused Chinese officials of abusing. To allay fears the short-form video app could be used as a Chinese surveillance tool, the federal government nearly transformed it into an American one instead.

    lul The real motivation

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    This is why the US Government wants to ban Tiktok. It’s very easy for them to force Google, Apple, Microsoft or Twitter to spy on people. It’s much harder with a Chinese company that is headquartered overseas.

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    “Let us see the data and analysis products you’re gathering on our citizens to send home to the CCP”

    “How dare you ask us for such an invasion of their privacy!”

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      They forcefully got tons of data from google, microsoft etc on US citizens. Why would they be doing it for “good” now? Just because “CCP bad”?

      Instead Apple and hardware manufacturers in general should prevent their products from allowing any software company from invading the people’s privacy in such intense ways.

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        This article and the one it links to from Forbes describe arrangements to access the data that is being collected through the app but I believe the Gizmodo headline is misrepresenting that as a request for additional invasive features. My comment is meant to point out how I perceive the drafted agreement and the pearl-clutching response from that headline.

        I don’t think they want that information purely in the service of Truth, Justice and the American Way™ but concerns about what the CCP has access to through their app are legitimate. Privacy invasion is unacceptable no matter who is doing it. There are cases where it is necessary but even then, it should be limited and subject to intense scrutiny to protect the rights of individuals. The Patriot act and things like it are an absolute disaster on that front, for example, but that’s no excuse for feeding our information directly to a hostile foreign power.

        I’d love to see hardware and software producers (as well as legislators) putting user privacy higher on their list of priorities. It’s a huge problem that we’re still coming to grips with and the people making the rules are generally woefully ignorant of the technology in use.

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          Thank you,

          People who read headlines are being robbed here. I agree following the Forbes article was WAY more helpful and nothing backed up Gizmodo’s claim.

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        Instead Apple and hardware manufacturers in general should prevent their products from allowing any software company from invading the people’s privacy in such intense ways.

        lol, every intel processor has a backdoor called the intel management engine, it’s literally a second processor running minix.

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    When the US does it it’s just established practise. When a non-US entity does the same thing, it’s suddenly a matter of national security.

    The anti-Chinese vibe in the US right now is rather absurd. The rise of China should have been viewed as an opportunity, not a threat.

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      When the US does it it’s just established practise. When a non-US entity does the same thing, it’s suddenly a matter of national security.

      Even as someone with a healthy distrust for the Chinese government, this really is the reason why. If Facebook was Chinese and nothing else changed, the US government would feel the same way.

      TikTok is used as a surveillance tool in China but US social media is also used the same way here. I wouldn’t be surprised if Facebook at the very least donated public profile pictures to the FBI for facial recognition purposes.

      The US would react the same for almost any other government with exceptions to the Five Eyes, in which case they wouldn’t care, and Russia, in which case it would be fully banned.

      Not to claim that the US government and the Chinese government are the same, though. Only more or less from a spying and surveillance perspective.

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      When you see the amount of patriotism people seem to get flooded in from an early age, it’s kinda understandable the blindness a lot of Americans have to how shitty their country has gotten.

      On the flip side, China definitely has its own problems, particularly with such an authoritarian government currently.

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        the blindness a lot of Americans have to how shitty their country has gotten always been.

        FTFY (signed: a lemming from Latin America).

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      Any country, US or not, spying on other countries’ citizens ought to be taken as a matter of national security in the target countries. China does take it as a matter of national security, which is why, among other reasons, many foreign social media sites and services are blocked, run as separate instances from the rest of the world, or restricted heavily

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      On the other hand, if all of this public attention leads to restrictions on ALL digital tracking, not just from foreign corporations, I’ll be soo happy.

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      The only issue I’ve ever had with TikTok is that it’s the Chinese government spying on American citizens in a way they don’t allow America to do to theirs. Not that either instance is right but you can’t say something is wrong and not allowed and do it yourself.

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        But America spies on non-American citizens in the exact same way as TikTok does. The US complaining here is just hypocrisy. And the US has been doing it for far longer than the Chinese have.

        So as a European citizen there is no difference between USian or Chinese Big Tech in terms of spying on me.

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          China doesn’t let anyone spy on their citizens as they ban all foreign social media etc. That’s the difference.

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    File it under “no shit” and “stuff that was called from the beginning but now we’ll all act surprised.”

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      Everything the Americans accuse China and Russia of, they are guilty of it themselves.

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    So instead of doing their job and preventing US citizens to be spied on by foreign governments, they just want a piece of the cake and spy on them and others, too!

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    The draft document, which Gizmodo could not independently verify, 

    So they have no idea what is or isn’t actually in this agreement, but sounds like they’ve asked for data access and audit capabilities to ensure US user data is separated and not sent where it shouldn’t be.

    This honestly seems reasonable. It’s a foreign app from a country that has banned every American tech app, data is only flowing one way and that’s concerning.

    But honestly without knowing what’s actually in there this article is pretty pointless. Just more unverified fearmongering clickbait.

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    Have you ever wondered why people are so eager to accept the premise that China is doing everything to spy on foreign nationals?

    Considering that those claims are almost all getting started by American agencies, and given the details of the Snowden leaks… America is projecting.

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        Quite. All American networking equipment is being used to spy on people, so clearly all Chinese networking equipment must be, too. Evidence? Unnecessary.

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    It sounds like those same “spying features” — e.g. examining server logs — would also be useful as *counter-*spying features, to verify that TikTok is not being used as a weapon by the genocidal regime currently in power in China.

    Given that the genocidal regime has engaged in illegal harassment, assault, and espionage against people of Chinese ethnicity residing in the US, Canada, and other nations, that seems like a pretty good idea, really! The US government has a legitimate interest in protecting its citizens of Chinese descent from lawless abuse by a foreign power.

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      and Iraq had WMDs, right? right?

      It amazes me how you keep believing the lies of the US government.

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          Are you denying that 30 years of invasions and bombings in the Middle East is anything less?

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            Genocide denial is illegal in many countries, just so ya know.

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              Maybe one day it will be illegal to deny the crimes comitted by American murderers.

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                If you’re looking for an American genocide, the Middle East is the wrong place to look. You want the Native Americans.

                “Genocide” means something, and “stupid fucking idiotic war” isn’t it.

                It’s not illegal to discuss the crimes of the US government in the US. It is illegal to discuss the crimes of the China government in China, by the way.

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                  “It’s not that bad because it wasn’t an actual genocide. we already have genocide under our belt.”

                  geez. how many war criminals were put to justice during that “stupid fucking idiotic war”?

                  It’s not illegal to discuss the crimes of the US government in the US

                  discussing does fuck all when you have laws to prevent any justice being served for the crimes you commit abroad and sanction the people investigating it.

                  https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-becomes-law

                  https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/12/14/us-sanctions-international-criminal-court

                  and Fuck CCP too. There aren’t just tankies and yankies on the internet. We can be critical of both of you.

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                  And what has that discussion produced? Has the American murderers stopped killing people? They let you discuss, because nothing will come out of it. You have no influence to change policy.

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      Given that the genocidal regime has engaged in illegal harassment, assault, and espionage

      Yes, but enough about the US regime.