Egyptian and US mediators report signs of compromise but many analysts remain pessimistic

Egyptian and US mediators have reported signs of compromise in recent days and Egyptian state news channel Al-Qahera said on Saturday that a consensus had been reached in the indirect talks over many of the disputed points but gave no further details. However, many analysts remain pessimistic after five months of stop-start talks that have frequently broken down

  • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    83·
    7 months ago

    Whoever represents a country is whoever has military control over the land and population inhabiting that country. Very rarely is there any other option (e.g. exiled leader).

    Also, the UN is mostly a tool of the 5 veto-wielding members of the security council, who’ve done nothing to prevent Israel’s genocide — They are incapable of representing, and don’t deserve to represent, the Palestinian people.

    • cygnus@lemmy.caEnglish
      21·
      7 months ago

      Whoever represents a country is whoever has military control over the land and population inhabiting that country. Very rarely is there any other option (e.g. exiled leader).

      Belgium in WW1, France and Greece during WW2, Spain during Franco, and I’m sure there are others… It isn’t that uncommon. I’m not suggesting the UN occupies Gaza permanently, but Gazans should be able to decide who represents them (and I sure hope it isn’t Hamas).

        • cygnus@lemmy.caEnglish
          24·
          7 months ago

          If they vote Hamas in during a free and fair election, that is completely their right… But it’ll also be the last vote they cast before Gaza is turned into a parking lot.

            • cygnus@lemmy.caEnglish
              41·
              7 months ago

              So if you would accept Hamas next time, why is it that you don’t accept Hamas now?

              I said why earlier – whatever the circumstances under which Hamas was voted in, this has long since passed any pretense of democracy, and the legitimacy of Hamas as a government today is questionable, to say the least.

                • cygnus@lemmy.caEnglish
                  31·
                  7 months ago

                  You keep making this weird leap regarding the legitimacy of Hamas that you don’t seem to notice. It’s not Hamas preventing elections, it’s the US and Israel, and there preventing them because they basically know Hamas will win.

                  That doesn’t make any sense, because they are already treating Hamas as the legitimate government. Why would they be so reluctant to allow something that would yield the same outcome that they accept today?

                  There is no question around the legitimacy of Hamas except in US and Israeli propaganda. The pretense of democracy is the one you are supposing where a people’s choice is only valid if it’s the one you preferred they make.

                  Likud are the ones who have been propping up Hamas. I’m sure the US would like them gone, though.

                • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  12·
                  7 months ago

                  There is no question around the legitimacy of Hamas except in US and Israeli propaganda.

                  Jesus fucking Christ.

      • livus@kbin.social
        51·
        7 months ago

        France ended up occupied by Germany in WW2 with the deeply unpopular Vichy govt.

        Gaza is in the position of an occupied territory.

        The US blocks most UN resolutions about Gaza.

        Meanwhile Gaza itself has at this point lost 60% of its buildings (75% in Gaza city) and has reached famine conditions in the north.

        To be actually declared a famine, an area needs 20% of its people to be starving and 30% of its children to show visible signs like muscle wasting.

        They are in no condition to hold a free and fair election right now. They need urgent help.