• Vikthor@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Less than how many would die by the rampaging horde if Ukraine gave up. Judging by what happend in Bucha, Irpin, Mariupol or elsewhere.

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          6 months ago

          That was during the war.

          Playing rocket tag with the Russians for another three years will create more Mariupols.

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            6 months ago

            Russia giving up would solve everything tho, so let’s do that instead

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            6 months ago

            “Just give in and marry the rapist that’s breaking into your house “

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              6 months ago

              More doing Hatfields and McCoys shit for another three years, because you can’t decide on the property line.

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                6 months ago

                You understand that this isn’t a feud perpetuated by both sides. This is one side desperately trying to fend off an unprovoked invader.

                I did not phrase that as a question, because I know you know this.

                But just in case, I’ll say something I’m pretty sure you understand as well.

                Cyka blyat

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                  6 months ago

                  You understand that this isn’t a feud perpetuated by both sides.

                  There’s been a civil war tearing apart the Donbas since 2014.

                  I’ll spot you this, the comparison to the USSR in Afghanistan isn’t that far off. America is trying to do a second Operation Cyclone by standing up a hollowed out government and fundamentalist militia with enormous volumes of foreign military aid. The only difference is that its not 1979 anymore and we’re not simply unloading all our Vietnam era surplus onto some useful suckers.

                  Even in what is supposed to be an asymmetrical guerrilla war, westerners have somehow managed to make Ukraine more expensive for the western intelligence services than eastern traditional military.

                  Cyka blyat

                  Inshallah

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              6 months ago

              We get the “Russia will go bankrupt any minute now” line from the NAFO heads every six months.

              It’s the same bullshit we got fed during Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam and Korea.

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                6 months ago

                Yes, but there USA were fighting the locals. Here it’s moskals who is fighting the locals.

                And funny you bring up Afghanistan, USSR went down also because of invading it.

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                  Here it’s moskals who is fighting the locals.

                  One reason Russia took over Crimea so easily was due to the high Russian-national identifying residents. Same with South Ossetia and Abkhazia. East Ukraine had an enormous Russia-aligned population, which drove the split that provoked the 2014 civil war and ended in the invasion.

                  And funny you bring up Afghanistan, USSR went down also because of invading it.

                  The USSR went down to perestroika. Gorbachev’s reform and opening of markets invited record rates of corruption and graft, leading to the oligarchs that installed Yeltsin and Putin a decade later. The Russian military was just about the only institution that survived the hollowing out of the national economy and the dissolution of the old republican system of governance.