“Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you,” he said quoting former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev.

Russian politician Dmitry Medvedev said on Tuesday Russia could have a right to go to war with NATO.

  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    123
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    I wonder… does medvedev have enough wits left to understand that if Russia has that right… then everyone … has that right?

    They’re finding Ukraine difficult enough. Sure we’re sharing some toys (a lot of toys)… but they don’t have carriers or attack subs or missile destroyers…

    Threatening nato is not a sane decision to make. We might just take them at their word.

    • SupraMario@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      75
      ·
      1 year ago

      The toys we’re sharing are our older toys from the 80s and 90s even. Its not even the more deadly stuff we have…and they’re fighting against a force that’s getting a few weeks training on these toys and sent out into the field. If russia truly wants a 72 hour war…all it would need to do is attack NATO.

      • Ertebolle@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        28
        ·
        1 year ago

        Yeah, Ukraine is excited about maybe getting some F-16s and how much that could help with the air war and meanwhile a couple of F-22s could take down a whole squadron of them.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          1 year ago

          It’s not the war, it’s the keeping.

          In any case, we’d probably bog down around the same time China and everyone else on that side got involved. I don’t think it would be as clean or as quick. But, yeah. We could definitely screw them pretty harshly without ever landing troops

          • Candelestine@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            21
            ·
            1 year ago

            China and Russia have no military alliance, Xi is just taking advantage of the fantastic business opportunity that opened up for him for cheap Russian imports. If Chinese troops became militarily involved in Russian territory, it would probably be to acquire their claims over eastern Siberia, dating back to the Qing Dynasty. Otherwise he’s just be supporting a state that competes with him for the dominant regional position.

            The Tsar took that land from them, back in the day though. If you look at their current claimed territories, they never forgot. Maybe if Russia agreed to become a subject state of China, then they’d help militarily, but they’re certainly not friends or allies.

            Russia does have actual allies, but not many. And China isn’t one of them.

            • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              ·
              1 year ago

              So what you’re saying is we could Jalta Russia at the Urals with the Chinese and set up Cold War 2 on a really big scale?

          • snooggums@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            We don’t need to occupy Russia to stop them from continuing a war that they start. We can just destroy their equipment and manufacturing locations so their armed forces surrender.

          • bluGill@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            1 year ago

            There isn’t anyone really on that side . China and NATO have differences, but China doesn’t have anything to gain from helping Russia, and nthey lose a lot is NATO loses. They will sit out. Similar with India, they will stay out . Iran or a few other small counties might consider joining, but I doubt it as most are smart enough to know that is suicide.

            • Hank@kbin.social
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              Idk, China might see the spread of resources as a good opportunity to try an invasion of Taiwan.

              • bluGill@kbin.social
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                1 year ago

                Maybe, Xi seems just sane enough not to try, but who knows. China and Russia can’t really win against NATO though they make things harder. India likely hates China enough to join NATO as well.

                Of course we are talking nuclear armed countries so everyone loses is possible.

              • InverseParallax@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                Putin made his move because Xi sounded like he was going to go at the same time.

                Xi was closing on HK and planned to switch immediately to Taiwan, even started the domestic pivot, then his navy told him they needed at least 5 years (honestly its more like 15, they are just starting carrier flight ops on the Liaoning and their newer ones aren’t shaken down yet).

                Putin had made his preparations, Xi hinted he might go anyway once the west was distracted.

                If daddy z hadn’t stayed in kyiv history would look really bad right now.

      • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        There’s also the option that it’s going to be a 30-ish minute war. 50-ish if the other side manages to get their counter value force airborne.

    • Neuromancer@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      America is not giving Ukraine the most advanced weapons and that is stopping Russia.

      Imagine if America used their pre advanced weapons.

      It’s posturing. Russia wants to look tough. They’re a paper tiger.

      • uphillbothways@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        Total posturing. A few hundred of these would end the war overnight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM

        These aren’t even classified. Poland and Finland have them, today.

        Ukraine is keeping Russia in check with cardboard launched grenades. It’s pretty amazing, honestly; both how innovative Ukraine has been under duress with almost nothing, and how bad Russia has performed in this mess they’ve dumped themselves in.

        A few too many toes over NATO lines would decapitate the Kremlin, probably before anything could be done in response.

      • agent_flounder@lemmy.one
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        And at full scale. This is definitely typical Russian posturing, ie total bullshit that everyone knows is bullshit but they say it anyway.