• jeffw@lemmy.worldOP
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      5 months ago

      Can we not do the homophobic trope where everyone who hates gay people must be secretly gay?

      • CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works
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        5 months ago

        I wouldn’t call it a homophobic trope, there’s a lot of truth to it. Closeted gay men in these hardcore homophobic communities tend to have massive self loathing issues, and take it out on everyone else.

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        5 months ago

        I tried suggesting this the other day and a bunch of people argued “no, saying all homophobes are queer does not mean queer people are responsible for their own bigotry” despite it meaning exactly that.

        My favorites were the ones who thought saying “everyone is queer, it’s on a spectrum” somehow changed that implication.

        And their “evidence” was “look at all the homophobes who turned out to be gay” as if that was the vast majority of the bigots.

        Also, my saying things like “you could argue that everyone is a little disabled and therefore all ableists are self-hating disabled people” got me told that’s different. Not how it was different though.

        All I know is that it’s only ever queer people who get blamed for their own bigotry.

      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        When it stops being true people will stop mentioning it. Let me know if you need lots of articles about conservative leaders caught in the act.

        Look, it’s basic psychology. I am straight so for me I don’t get the desire to have gay sex. If I disproved of gay sex I still wouldn’t want a law against it because I simply don’t understand why anyone would want to engage in it. If I were in the closet and didn’t approve of it of course I would want a law against it, because I would know how tempting it was. Drug laws do make a bit of sense because all of us have a desire to be free of cold unfeeling existence for a little while. Drugs are naturally tempting, unlike homosexuality which is only tempting to a small fraction of the population.

        You need the right combination of wanting something and not approving of what you want. Any other combination is not going to result in that outcome.

        The louder the homophobic rant, the deeper in the closet.

        • jeffw@lemmy.worldOP
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          5 months ago

          I am straight and, therefore, the authority on all things gay. It does not matter that the LGBTQ community has repeatedly condemned this as homophobic, problematic, and untrue. I found an article confirming my preconceived notion, so it must be right!

          Nice argument. If you want articles, I’ve already posted them in this comment section.