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      Spermatozoon-producing organism and ovum-producing organism

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      I’ve seen some be upset about it used in “male and female” context. I think they just misunderstood why some don’t like the use of the term or didn’t stop to think about it.

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      It’s not even clinical, it’s used as a shortening of “female patient” or “female subject” or whatever, especially when lady or woman (which refer only to adult female humans) aren’t universally clear, but people who use it as a noun outside of those contexts are just using nonstandard English, and generally socially inacceptable nonstandard English at that.

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      I will never understand the drama over the word “female”.

      I set up a doctor’s appointment the other day, and I was asked if I had a doctor preference. I responded and said “I’d prefer a female doctor.” According to the internet, apparently I should have asked for a “woman doctor”.

      Reversing the gender, I’d be asking for either a “male doctor” or a “man doctor”. I will literally never use the phrase “I’d prefer a man doctor, please.” Because it has weird connotations, and doesn’t even roll off the tongue as well.

      So because I believe in male/female equality, I am necessarily required to treat them the same, with similar varieties of words.

      So what’s the problem? Give me a reason why I should use the less technical versions of words that invoke social-gender-stereotypes when I want to avoid all of that entirely.

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        You’ve been told (probably at length) what women in general prefer to be called. It’s probably even been explained to you. Your feigning ignorance about why is just saying that you don’t find those answers satisfactory.

        You’re free to call women “females” and you can justify it however you want, just like I’m free to allow absolutely zero people who refer to me as “female” (outside of very limited clinical circumstances) to touch my tits.

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            I actually say “lady doctor.” Because I do prefer a doctor who is a woman and “lady doctor” sounds fancy.

            E: Last male doctor I had told me that it was “just” an ovarian cyst and it “shouldn’t hurt that much” so I should take some aspirin and I’d be able to work tomorrow. So yeah. Lady doctor for me.

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              I actually say “lady doctor.”

              But what if you are in country where aristocracy doesn’t exist?

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                I do exist in such a country! But I was recently called “quirky” so I guess take my advice as you will.

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                    Your comment made me curious so I checked and 235 comments in 3 days? Wow! You must really enjoy whatever it is you’re trying to accomplish here. Good luck with this endeavor!

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          You’re just choosing to be outraged for the sake of drama. I’m sorry if one person in your past has called you a “female” offensively, but lets consider moving on from it.

          It’s just a word. It’s not a slur.

          The word “woman” is not any better, and even has its own issues with preconceptions. Every time you come across someone who is trying to be stereotypically traditional and enforce any idea of classic societal gender roles, they refer to themselves as a MAN or a WOMAN.

          Because I generally interact with people who are uncomfortable being assigned traditional gender roles, it’s more comfortable to think of them as their biological sex–male or female, so that I am not projecting gender stereotypes on them

          Now why don’t you chill out?

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            Oh fuck off. You know damn well it sounds like you think women are below you when you use “female” in all these contexts. Multiple people have told you you sound like a dick when saying “female”. But you just won’t accept it. Your comment history makes you sound completely insufferable…

            Just accept and learn and stop trying to die on this hill because of your ridiculous ego.

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            Lmfao. Dude, calling me offended and telling me to chill out doesn’t work anymore. Trolling has evolved.

            I explained to you patiently where your mistake is, and you sent me a wall of text about why you should be allowed to refer to a whole group of people by a word they don’t like.

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            Because I generally interact with people who are uncomfortable being assigned traditional gender roles, it’s more comfortable to think of them as their biological sex–male or female, so that I am not projecting gender stereotypes on them

            That happened lmao. You just made this the fuck up

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              Dude, I’m a furry. Most of my friends are gay, trans, or some form of LGBTQ+ or non-binary who do not conform to typical gender or societal stereotypes.

              Stop being a piece of shit lmao

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        There’s a difference between using it as an adjective and a noun.

        Requesting “a female doctor” is not as bad as requesting “a female.”

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            Silly comment. I prefer female doctors because I like their personalies better, and I believe that their medical knowledge is equal to a male doctor’s knowledge. It’s also less weird to me to be touched by a member my preferred gender. My reasons are absolutely not related to any clinical reasoning.

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              You literally used the example of a doctor to disagree with someone saying it’s clinical, I just thought it was funny so made a joke.

              And why so serious? Reply to the other person who was actually making a serious point if you want that

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        Adjective vs noun. Noun-izing some adjectives makes them sound like a slur

        A black doctor vs a black.

        A Jewish doctor vs a jew.

        A female doctor vs a female.

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          Thanks for the explanation. It’s too bad it’s seen as a slur, as it’s really useful to group women and girls with one word. As is “male”, for men and boys. This one doesn’t appear to be seen as a slur, though.

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        My understanding is that its less about the word itself and more about the usage in contrast to how the same person refers to men. Males will be men, dudes, bros, etc. but they’ll only refer to women as females. Usually with a thinly veiled distain. “All these dudes just hanging out but the FEMALES are fighting.” or some shit.

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          I’m in my 30s and I’ve never met a single person in my entire life who refers to women as “the females”. I work in a highly male-dominated field full of country boys, for reference.

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            I’ve not personally met someone like that either, but I AM terminally online and see it a lot. It’s usually Andrew Tate enjoyer types.

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            I’m in my 30’s and haven’t heard it out in the real world either, but that’s probably because the assortment of individuals who use females as a pejorative either don’t use it in public because it’s cringe and they know it, or because they don’t go outside.
            That’s only my educated guess though.

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            When I worked in an FLGS I heard it from customers quite often, which we would always try to nudge them in another direction. It’s not the “country boys” who say it, it’s the 4chan/incel/Alpha-male set.

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        I noticed during my business trip to Australia that the toilets were labeled male/female. It sounded weird in my head for some reason.

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          Now imagine other languages that don’t have female-woman difference.

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          Is there some reason for some preferences? Do you prefer all men or just doctors?