• Syrc@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Communism in itself is a great ideology, it’s just that applying it correctly requires an unreal amount of effort and cooperation between millions of people.

      And since that’s extremely hard, if not impossible, to do in a realistic setting, the only countries that identify as communist are actually fascist ones who try to fool people into believing they aren’t.

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      1 year ago

      I agree with that sentiment and consider myself a leftist, also. It certainly applies more to ML/tankie types. I also believe that’s what the poster in the image means too. There’s still broadly some confusion and conflation of terms regarding the exact definition of solicaism/communism/leftism/ML-ism, and I believe the this is an example of that.

    • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      1 year ago

      Hold on, communism is good in my mind, its just what they call communism fucking sucks and what I call communism is a pipe dream.

      • Cyrus Draegur@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        Facts, fam. It’s ok to enjoy pipe dreams as long as we’re mindful of the fact that they are pipe dreams. Everybody gets inspiration from unrealistic aspirations. It’s fine. Like, unironically, it’s ok to think “boy, it would be nice if the world were a little more like how I wish it were”, as long as there isn’t an effort made to abuse other people for not always agreeing or having the same dream.

        Truth be told, it’d be cool if communism were to actually work, although I for one feel leery of the human error introduced by central planning. Parallel processing is humanity’s greatest strength and leaving things up to a committee is a massive vulnerability. If instead of an insular committee of unilaterally appointed bureaucrats, it were some kind of democratic system where direct referendums could override the representatives whenever people get pissed off enough at their representatives not doing their (FUCKING) jobs, that’d be a damn sight better than any currently operating economic model. Because frankly, right now, capitalism itself also has insular committees of appointees (shareholders in boardrooms) and that sucks too.

        • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          1 year ago

          I wouldn’t want centrally planned, and I definitely don’t want insular commitees of bureaucrats. Just asking for trouble. But I think what I’m asking for now would be called Market Socialism instead of Communism. If we sieze the means of production, why give up that power to someone who doesn’t make the goods? And central planning sounds like it will always have the Local Knowledge problem, though today we do have tariffs at port authorities which sound to me equally insane.

          “boy, it would be nice if the world were a little more like how I wish it were”

          Gosh yeah :3

          • Cyrus Draegur@lemm.ee
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            Hella fair!

            Might that be closer to something like syndicalism?

            Because, like, the people doing the work all belong to an association that represents their industry and decide collectively among their industry peers what is produced, how it’s produced, and for whom.

            Those industrial associations would be worker syndicates.

            As far as communicating the wants of the population at large, that’s what currency exists for; it’s a signalling system. That’s the “market” component - if a worker syndicate decides to produce things that they send to markets where nobody wants those things, nobody there buys the things and as a result they get less money for paying their own bills (including wages). Nobody likes not getting paid, after all.