emulators are for the transient people
I wish this anime could stop reminding me that everything I know and love is dying faster than I can.
Frieren is so good even though it makes me feel feelings.
You can die faster…
I tried that and it hurts.
agreed, anything that came after whatever was current when I was born is new and everything that happened before I was born is prehistory :3
Woof c:
Pup would love to play with vacuum tube stuff tho c:
When ‘next-gen’ becomes ‘current gen’ (as we see the PS5 now), then the previous ‘last gen’ (ie. PS3) becomes retro.
Reminder to anyone who disagrees with the above, the PS3 was released 18+ years ago. You’re just old, like me - embrace it.
No.
The Wii is perpetually 5 years old 👉😆👈 I’m not listening lalalalala time is a man made concept
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Following the above logic it would become retro when the PS6 releases. When the PS5 released it beacame last gen.
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Yeah dude, don’t tell me, you were the one not following his logic earlier, not me
Yes, it’s 2 generations ago that he called retro
Retro - last gen - current gen - next gen
Was the scale used
The PS4 is not yet retro, it’s just been re-categorised from ‘current gen’ to ‘last gen’, as the PS5 has taken its place as the ‘current gen’.
When the PS6 eventually launches some time around ~2030, it would still be ‘next gen’ for a while until it reaches mass-market adoption. At that (largely arbitrary) point, the PS6 would become ‘current gen’, the PS5 would become ‘last gen’ and the PS4 would go on to be considered ‘retro’.
Just for reference - by that point in time, the PS4 would likewise also be ~18 years old.
When I say “retro game” I mean pre-disc era.
So the switch?
O shit guys, my entire steam library is disc-less
if the switch 2 uses discs you would be correct
Has a hardrive
Dreamcast isn’t retro?
Dreamcast gets the special distinction of being retro futurist. Criminally ahead of its time.
2012 laptops are still very modern and people calling them old are mean :(
Given how maimed the modern laptops are, I’m willing to consider “modern” a slur for laptops. Give me back my Ethernet, video outs and all the USB!
Give me back my Ethernet
Some ThinkPad: I have Ethernet
Buyer: Cool! I am choosing you!
Package arrives
Unpacks
Buyer: What the… there’s no Ethernet!
Some ThinkPad: Look closer! There’s even Ethernet icon!
Buyer: I see that, but there’s just…
Some ThinkPad: That’s it! ThinkPad Ethernet extension port. You didn’t say “RJ-45”.
I have a laptop for uni work that I bought in Jan 2011. It’s got Lubuntu running on it and most of my work is done on Google Docs… so I’m not seeing the benefit of upgrading really.
It works.
use libreoffice
I’ve got it installed, but in fairness the nearly-fourteen year old laptop takes a fair while to start the application now.
I’m not a huge fan of Google as a company, but Google Docs is a fairly decent cloud-based app that’s largely agnostic to the low specs of my laptop.
yes exactly!
stop being mean to my thinkpad friends! (those being, friends with thinkpads, and laptops themselves, which are automatically friends)
Where my X230 people at?
Idk I use a T440p :3
Not a joke: When I was playing the Wii for the first time I legit thought “Damn, when this becomes retro Ima feel so old.”
Prophetic.Although the graphics looked old even when it came out.
Granny you are 1000 years old.
Retro isn’t a number. It’s two disconnects. There is always something new - innately distinct, previously implausible, promising of future trends. When new things change enough, stuff that existed beforehand becomes old - tangibly dated, behind the times, automatically uncool. When that new stuff in turn becomes old, the old-old stuff becomes retro - distinct from merely out-of-fashion, illustrative of shifting perspectives, capable of being judged on its own merits.
This is why it’s possible to make brand-new games that are still “retro games.” The indicators of a particular era no longer feel poor-quality or unpleasantly limited once they’ve lost direct comparison to modern novelty. Low resolution is a style choice now that it’s plainly not performance-related. Limited color is an affectation. 3D can be taken for granted, so games doing it badly are doing it on purpose.
I say all this to argue: the 360’s not retro because it’s not even retro. It’s just fucking old. The last big disconnect was in that era. GTA IV looks like an upscaled PS2 game and GTA V still feels like a mid-budget PS5 game. PBR shading, local lights-- I don’t think GTA V specifically had screen-space reflections, but it was definitely A Thing by then. Volumetric fog was in PS3 launch titles.
Christ, even retro-as-a-style has its inflection point in the 360 era. Cave Story was a big fucking deal. XBLA gave small indie games a taste of revenue. GBA homebrew shifted neatly to shoving emulators on PSP.
It is increasingly difficult to make any game that was unprecedented ten years prior. The toolkit gets wider and wider, but even a sudden massive increase in rendering power wouldn’t allow much that we haven’t expertly faked. VR would be different if anyone starts buying it. I feel like the PS4 came and went without any distinguishing features whatsoever. (I don’t even remember if it was the bold black rectangle or the italic black rectangle.) Contrast this with how Super Mario Bros launched against an Atari that boasted several sprites, and then the NES’s last official game was on shelves beside Tekken 2.
The counterargument to this might be that anything without live-service gacha bullshit is now old. In which case… burn it all down and start over.
Retro-as-a-style used to be the ONLY meaning of “retro.” It was something new that was made to look old. When it comes to games it usually just means “old” now. I personally consider the 360 and PS3 to be not retro because the general conventions of how they control and the way they were online and capable of getting updates is pretty much identical to today. They’re old, all right, but other than having less polygons and post-processing effects they’re not different enough from the games of today, as you said. The Wii is something of an anomaly and different enough that I’d consider it retro.
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“What do you mean, there’s a WPA?”
spoiler
DS and DS lite can connect to WEP or open networks
Hot take: No console with significant connectivity requirements can ever be retro. That’s pretty much everything in the last twenty years.
I was going to quibble with you regarding the OG Xbox and PS2, but then I looked up their release dates. I feel so goddamn old.
Not until graphics are significantly different enough, anyway. Arkham Asylum could pass as a modern game with a lower budget. No PS2, OG Xbox, or Gamecube game can be mistaken for a modern game, though.
Retro means Atari !
I like this drawing
I put the line of retrogames with consoles with hardrives and dlcs.
